WAJ:
“There is nothing inherently wrong with going to a sporting event or following a sports franchise. If you attend an event does that mean you will ultimately gawk at an immodest woman or start to speak profanity?”
It is assur to go to a place with pritzus if you don’t need to go there. The Gemora says that if someone has two ways to get somewhere, one where he will pass by immodestly dressed women and one where he won’t, and he chooses the first path, he is a resha, even if he doesn’t look at the women.
“By that logic we should not be allowed to walk outside nor live in New York City.”
If it is feasible to avoid these places, then by all means one should do so.
“Don’t we have the ability to make the best judgements for ourselves and if we don’t suffer the consequences.”
Perhaps, but it must be done inside the parameters of Halacha.
“If there is one aspect of something someone does not approve of we need to ban it outright, (see: Citi Field Asifa).”
Oh, come on. There is not just “one aspect” of unfiltered internet that “some disagree with”; it’s massive and obvious problem, and I have never heard anybody put forward a rational argument that a frum Jew should have access to unfiltered internet.
“Is this the way Hashem wants the Jewish community to behave themselves? It is embarrassing to see Jew against Jew, battle over the most insignificant of issues.”
Who do you see battling anybody else? Nobody was condemned, much less battled against, at CitiField.
Saying something is wrong does not necessarily mean that one is condemning all those who that thing. For example, I think we’d all agree to the simple statement “loshon hara is wrong”; but that does not mean we are condeming or doing battle with anybody who has ever said loshon hara.
Same here. We are having a fairly objective debate of whether or nor one is, al pi halacha, allowed to go to a ball game. That is not at all the same thing as opening up a conversation condemning anyone who does go to a ball game.
Actually, the only one I see here who wrote a post with the exclusive purpose of “battling against” others is… you.
“If a father wants to take his children to a ballgame in order to spend time with his children, why does that concern you? Why is it your business to get involve in affairs that have zero meaning in your life?”
If a father wants to tell his children that going to a ballgame is assur because he believes that’s the halacha, why does that concern you? Why is it your business to get involve in affairs that have zero meaning in your life?
“if most orthodox jewish people are against going to sports venues then why would 60000 Jews be willing to gather in Citi Field, home of the “goyishe”, NY Mets, for the purpose of banning the Internet and why are 90000 Jews attending MetLife Stadium for the Siyum HaShas on Wednesday Night if that building outside of this event also houses vulgar concerts, Jets cheerleaders, Profanity and males who get drunk and take their shirts off? I guess the those who follow the edict of not attending stadiums are willing to compromise their morals and principles if the circumstances are ideal. I get it now. I guess convenience takes precedence over integrity.”
I’m sorry, but that made absolutely no sense. True, “that building outside of this event also houses vulgar concerts, Jets cheerleaders, Profanity”… but when it’s full of Frum Jews, none of those things are an issue. So what hypocrisy could there possibly be here?!
Oh, and remember how you were condemning those who “battle over the most insignificant of issues”? Well if this last paragraph of yours doesn’t fit the bill, I don’t know what does.