is it wrong to go to sports games

Nothing inherently wrong with it…just consider this:

1. Totally not tzinus women everywhere.

2. Complete waste of time

3. Complete waste of money

4. If you really think about it (and I mean NOOOOO offence to anyone) but the core reason of why people like sports is because they want to be part of a winning team. Why do people need to feel that? Because they’re losers in the parts of their life where they feel they should be winners. For example, you know you need to keep shabbos but you don’t. And if your team lost, well no worries at least there are thousands of others who feel let down so you’re “not alone”. It’s like taking a test in school, when you see you failed you feel horrible. But when you find out that everyone else failed you don’t feel as bad. But the reality is that you still failed….just because everyone else did shouldn’t make you feel better.

but i thought there was a rabbi if im not mistaken the rav of the mir in yershalyim did once ask abt a game? so then why is it assur?

As if people ask for a heter before heading to the stadium…

They do what they want.

@bustercrown A jew is required to guard his eyes, you are not allowed to look at immodest women. Granted today this is near impossible because women all over the streets don’t care. But at the very least you could try avoiding places where they purposely dress practically naked and show off their bodies. Cheerleading has only one purpose, show off a bunch of naked girls and it gets everyone pumped. I mean c’mon tell your kids that you decided their soul is more important than a sports game?

There are no cheerleaders in Baseball games and the Football Giants dont have them either (The Jets and Knicks do)

Why not ban riding the subway in the summer too, there is Prizut, Nevel Peh (Especially when the train is stopped and the AC shuts off for a min) , The Subway Preacher (And when you get one of those its in a crowded train and you aint moving)

There is many times Kol Eisha (Ever see a Subway “performer”)

GeshmakMan

Since when are there grey areas in Judaism. Theres assur or mutar. A sports game bizman hazeh with all the pritzus, non Jewish music and drunk fans screaming expletives is assur gammur. Of course theres also the issur deoraysoh of chukas hagoy.

zdad- i know how you love to make the dumbest tzushtells in the world, but just give up already. a person attending an event for enjoyment should reconsider attending if he will unquestionably be oiver issurim, whereas a man going to work is michuyav to do so in order to support his family. if he encounters bad things while tryig, he should attempt to be omed b’nisayon.

Bustercrown, how can you to tell a baal teshuva not to eat a Cheese Burger that they loved. What a dumb attidude. If its wrong you dont let them go. Even if they love it.

many yeshivas (Like Chofetz Chaim ) that have chinese auctions , and at these chinese auctions they give away tickets to sports games.

It would be completely assur to raise money in this fashion if the game was assur.

I do not see the same yeshivas give away McDonalds Gift cards for example

Git you have every right to disagree with a poster if you find their views are wrong but you dont have a right to call that poster dumb, over the line.

The tshuva isnt in igros moshe. its in a sefer put out recently of his tshuvas that weren’t published. the 3rd reason he says is because of “moshav leitzim”

If you’re a guy, it’s assur not to go to sport game. Why would you deprive yourself from kosher fun?

Chacham: Arguments on R’ Moshe are quite foolish. But it’s not ridiculous to argue that we can’t trust that that’s R’ Moshe.

The CR doesn’t have the pritzus and nivel peh.

Chacham: Chelek 8 had enough controversy about it. Kal V’chomer Chelek 9.

Chacham: That could be. I will admit there are many “Yadua” opinions of R’ Moshe that I am unfamiliar with. But I do take anything from the last two Chalakim with a grain of salt. I respect it so long as there is no good reason to say otherwise, but I certainly don’t feel M’shubad to it the way I do to the first 7 Chalakim. (I have at different times called someone who would argue with R’ Moshe’s P’sakim L’ma’aseh (in America, at least; not necessarily in Eretz Yisrael) a Zaken Mamrei or a Mored B’malchus. But I only say that on the first 7 Chalakim.)

Sam: I take it that you do not use a Shabbos Clock on an air conditioner, per Rav Moshe’s psak? And you hold anyone who argues on that is a Zaken Mamrei or a Mored B’malchus?

(Not that anyone argues on the issur of going to a sports game. Just as a general point.)

Csar: I almost parenthetically added the words “with very select exceptions where the Tzibbur was not Noheg like him”. But even then, it’s clear that he was against Shabbos clocks L’migdar Milsa, and not from straight Halachah. Thus, using on an air conditioner or even anything else in the house doesn’t violate his P’sak the same way doing something that is actually Assur would.

I started seeing CR in Yeshiva World news last week. I don’t see why this is any better then a sports game. It is also a big waste of time with a bunch of people who are not talmidei chachamim without daas torah writing their own opinions and bashing erliche yidden. as far as pritzes their are a lot of people defending these flatbush women who don’t dress tzniusdik. Don’t you all have something better to do like maybe go open up a sefer and learn a bisel Torah.

Sam where do you get it from that America has to follow Rav Moshe’s Psak? Didnt you yourself say that sometimes the Tzibbur is clearly not noiheg like him? What would determine that if not for not following his Psak from the get go? And there are plenty of reliable Achronim who preceded that argue with Rav Moshe sometimes.

mw13: Yes. Yes he does.

Kozov: It is precisely because he was accepted that we have to listen to him. It’s kind of circular when you think about it, but not quite. He was recognized as the undisputed Posek Hador, and therefore we were Meshabed ourselves (yes, even those of us who weren’t born until after he passed away) to every P’sak of his. Cases where he was ignored are tough to deal with, though it should be noted that people were Noheg to use Shabbos clocks before everyone started listening to him (and before he Assered them), which is probably an important factor.

on the ball: I don’t think so. The Chiluk is obvious. The Gemara has very harsh words for those who attend stadiums because that’s what attending a stadium entailed back then. It’s clearly not what it entails now. You are the one reading something into Rashi that isn’t obvious (that he is including even something that didn’t exist back in his time). It could be that Chazal would have included today’s sports in that. But the Chiluk to say that they would not be included is obviously there. It didn’t exist, so we honestly have no idea if Chazal included it or not. Saying that Rashi clearly includes it is just as not-Muchrach as saying he clearly excludes it.

Sam2: Yes there is a chiluk. But without a halachic source, it is not a ‘mechalek’. You must admit that it is at least very possible that Rashi (from Chazal) meant any form of non-Jewish entertainment even non-violent and non-salacious ones. Ergo, you have no right to create an arbitrary limitation on his words just because you can identify a difference.

Doing just that with no halachic backing is a slippery slope that can eventually lead to the Reform idealogy of rejecting any halachah that has no clear modern rationale – Rachmana Litzlan.