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Clearly, some of the posters didn’t understand my point about Chick-fil-A selling treif. It’s called irony.

Here we have a company that sells treif food to Jews and no one blinks – and they shouldn’t. The obligation to avoid treif falls on to the Jewish person. Unfortunately, many Jewish people have lost their way (usually as tinokos shenishbu) and eat treif. And even then, we don’t (and shouldn’t) scream at them, and we don’t try to outlaw treif restaurants. Instead, we try to influence the individuals to return to the ways of the Torah.

However, when it comes to gay marriage, we get people like the original poster ranting about toeiva. Of course, it’s not a perfect analogy – I did look at Chick-fil-A’s menu to see if they serve shellfish, but they don’t. Shellfish would have been a better analogy since the Torah calls them toeiva as well. And there is also the difference about what is muttar to a ben-Noach.

The Torah doesn’t say anything about gay marriage. The Torah assurs and condemns certain activities that gays do. But I don’t understand why we can’t treat gays in our communities simply as people who have a strong ta’aveh that most of us don’t have, and who give in to this ta’aveh. We should be mekarev them the same way we would be mekarev anyone else.

And as far as government policy about recognizing marriage between gays – I don’t see why it is any of our concern. I certainly don’t see why it brings out such rabid condemnation. As a community we don’t even vocally oppose institutions of definite avodah zora.

I certainly would not say that kol hapasul bemumo pasul for everyone who opposes gays, but certainly there is psychological evidence that it sometimes applies to those who are most vehemently anti gay.