“The medina was the start of the geula”
– true. So was the holocaust. It doesn’t mean we should celebrate it. The building of the medina by the atheist zionists was probably more spiritually destructive to klall Yisrael than anything in the past 100 years. Furthermore, it was assur to establish the state, and it’s very bedi’eved. Don’t get me wrong, I hate Neturei Karta, they’re totally evil. De facto, Israel exists and we must support it to protect our interests, but we shouldn’t love governments that are rooted in anything but the Derech Hashem. Neither Israel nor the USA are that. We say thank you, but we don’t sing their songs of praise and become nationalists like their godless masses. This whole thread is a non-issue. Anyone with any semblance of a Yeshiva education realizes that trying to argue this is daas Torah is completely baseless and absurd.