To Daas Yochid,
I will take issue with you on a number of points; however i will try to do it politely.
1) “You totally miss the point”; it is inaccurate to say i missed the ppoint, when there WAS no point, there was only a statistic stated, without editorial. so everyone has to make their own point. You may disagree, but you should strive to be accurate in your arguments.
3) “you insist on ranting” Please use arguments, not denigration and intimidation.
4) “litvish system, blaming it, and ignoring the facts”. Actually it seems i AM using facts. You may disagree with my correlation, but then i would have liked to see a response to what i said. not to what you are afraid i implied.
7) you haven’t addressed the outrage of young couples after all the cash and benefits are making more than their shver/father, yet they have no problem milking them, and frequently against their will. Ever heard of “seudah sh’ein me’sapekes l’balah”? A fine boy would not accept money from shver/father who struggles to pay his own bills. nor would he allow himself to demand more for himself, than the shver/father earns. Contrary to many kollel couples nowadays.
8) “So you think Rabi Akiva was wrong?” Amusing you should choose this example. R’ Akiva took no money from either his shver or father. You did omit other examples, such as all the shoemakers, butchers, and wine merchants in the g’mora.
A) We all know stories of Rosh yeshivas telling boys; “dont settle for less than x amount of dollars”. Doesnt the gmora in Kedushuin say shidduchim based on money is bad for the children?
B) Will the next thread inquire why so many litvisher go off the derech? (yes chasidish also- but they eventually are more likely to come back)
C) what kind of torah allows a yungerman to squeeze his shver/father?
D) If the father will also be forced to participate then fewer non-learners will be able to force payments.
(I Understand there are many (or perhaps most?)kollel whose parents give willingly. but the twofold pressure is there.
SHIDDUCH QUESTION NUMBER 1; HOW MUCH ARE YOU WILLING TO GIVE?
So i conclude, you have criticized me, and disagreed with me, but you haven’t responded to what i said.