Daas Yochid/Loyal Jew/more-2: you (guys?) are so incredibly wrong. You make arrogant, sweeping generalisations without even attempting to prove it. I take your bilious statements personally because I am a very serious learner who left yeshiva whilst sill a bochur to go to work. I am not YU-type either, just a normal guy who felt that I would gain more from being a learner/earner than from staying in yeshiva. And I am still a very serious learner, as are all the learner/earners I’ve met since leaving yeshiva. We are not, in my circles at least, in the minority. I also fail to see how black hats in any way impact on your seriousness in learning.
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