shein: that’s very untrue, the chareidi points are considered all the time. Maybe not to the extent that you’d like them to be but none-the-less the people here constantly consider the chareidi people’s points. In fact, they consider religious people’s feelings all of the time even though it doesn’t necessarily result in the outcomes we always desire. That’s a democracy.
Also, can’t believe you want to compare yourself to those other cases. I completely disagree, if you pay taxes and someone else chooses to live off of those tax $$, then I have every right to tell them to get a job or a better paying job. The point of welfare and tzedaka is to help the person temporarily until they get on their feet. It’s NOT to continue paying for them just because they (or you) think it’s their “every right to remain as is” (your quote!) The US system REQUIRES the welfare recipient to always be searching for a job and do specific things in order to receive welfare benefits (I have a family member who works as a social worker and deals with this all the time). The problem is that there are some (many?) who falsely claim that they’re truly looking for a job or doing what they’re supposed to – that is totally against halacha even when they don’t get caught or prosecuted!