Reply To: Blaming the Same Gender Unions: A Personal Rant

HaKatan Said:

2. The gemara clearly states that the only zechus the Gentiles have is that they don’t write a kesuba bein ish liIsh. Absent that…?

WRONG! WRONG!! WRONG!!!

Sure it is easier to argue when you make up the facts, but that isnt what the gemarra says. (dont believe me? have a look yourself. Chullun 92a-92b)

Ulla says it is the 30 mitzvos the goyim accepted upon themselves, and the only 3 that they still keep

1. Not writing “a shtar” for same gender unions, as you’ve mentioned

2. Not publicly selling Human flesh for consumption (Rashi: even though they eat it in private, they dont sell it in public)

3. Give Kavod to the Torah (this is probably a discussion in its own right)

1. We were not punished for what the gentiles did. But I’m not sure (I don’t know) we “did everything we could” either.

3. There is a concept of Oy LaRasha Oy Lishcheino, which means that if an innocent person associates with a wicked one then the innocent person may end up caught up, CH”V, in the punishment of that wicked person.

You seem to be contradicting yourself here, 1st you say a yid wont get punished for the goy’s actions,then you define “Oy l’rasha…” as meaning: “which means that if an innocent person associates with a wicked one then the innocent person may end up caught up, CH”V, in the punishment of that wicked person.”

So does he or doesn’t he? and where does it say that “association” is punishable? All I have to do is have such a waiter serve me at a restaurant and I can get punished? cmon

But the main point of your post which I’d like to discuss is where you say “maybe we could have done more”?

Firstly, where is there a mitzva to try to convince the goyish government to make their laws in line with our laws? Where is it stated that there is a Mitzva to do anything?

Secondly what should we have done exactly?

Given tzeddaka to the anti-toeva campaign, leaving less for yeshivas, mosdos and chessed organizations?

Taken our elementary, high school and beis medrash students away from their learning to protest?

That sound very anti-torah thinking to me. To suggest that it is in our best interest to take away from our Torah to try to suggest to goyim how to behave.

Point to note, I’d find it very interesting, should you actually suggest that we should take away the funds and time from learning, as you’ve been posting in the forum about the Israeli Army that one shouldn’t leave the Beis Midrash, since the Torah provides the protection (harei zeh mikra kotzer)