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Health, you wrote: “You also on the page previously denied that same-gender marriage contracts (Kesubos) can bring destruction in the world. You have taken Chazal’s words and twisted them and Krummed them up for your own ideological POV!”
I am not the one twisting Chazal’s words. All I did was look up the Gemara being quoted and I found that it didn’t say what was being claimed.
“Writing marriage contracts one to the other from the same gender is Much worse that just doing the act regarding its’ punishment in this world, as opposed to the actual sin. It’s called Makeh B’patesh – one sin on top of another.”
Makeh B’Patesh is the last of the 39 Malachos. Writing non-sensical marriage contracts (which is what these are halakhicly) is not “makeh b’patesh” even in a metaphorical sense. There is no “kli” of issur that is completed by writing these contracts.
It would take a very clear statement from Chazal for me to believe that writing a non-binding, useless kesuba on a same gender union is worse than the maaseh aveira itself. If there were aidim and hasra on the writing of such a “kesuba” but no eidim and hasra on the maaseh aveira, do you have a hava amina that someone would be chayav misa? If a kesuba was written up but before the maaseh one of them died, is there a hava amina that the living one would be chayav anything?
Oh, and please provide an actual citation to this Midrash of Rav Huna in the name of Rav Yosef, so I can look it up and see if it says what is claimed (although my points above would remain valid regardless).