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benignuman -“Makeh B’Patesh is the last of the 39 Malachos. Writing non-sensical marriage contracts (which is what these are halakhicly) is not “makeh b’patesh” even in a metaphorical sense. There is no “kli” of issur that is completed by writing these contracts.”
You obviously don’t know what the metaphorical meaning is. It’s the same thing as “the straw that broke the camel’s back”.
“It would take a very clear statement from Chazal for me to believe that writing a non-binding, useless kesuba on a same gender union is worse than the maaseh aveira itself. If there were aidim and hasra on the writing of such a “kesuba” but no eidim and hasra on the maaseh aveira, do you have a hava amina that someone would be chayav misa? If a kesuba was written up but before the maaseh one of them died, is there a hava amina that the living one would be chayav anything?”
Chazal in the Medrash did just that, but you seem to be in some sort of denial. Nowhere do you find that Mischav Zocor in itself brings destruction to the world, but the marriage contracts on Toeiva does. So these Kesubos in this circumstance are worse than the Maaseh itself – in this punishment. Obviously a person writing these Kesubos have plans for the Maaseh also.
“Oh, and please provide an actual citation to this Midrash of Rav Huna in the name of Rav Yosef, so I can look it up and see if it says what is claimed.”
Oh, you have to ask the OP of that post for the location. His name is Dave Hirsch. I have no reason to doubt an intellectual poster like him. But you can start searching in the Midrashim on Parshas Noach.
“(although my points above would remain valid regardless).”
I really don’t SEE any of your “points” as valid. Also, you’ll never admit that you are WRONG!