Health: “You’re so blinded with your hatred to Antizionists you missed my point. My point wasn’t reiterating what I’ve said a thousand times before that it should be given to Turkey, my point was if the ideology of Zionism is dead -why are they still hanging onto the State? Now I understand the “religious” Zionists -somehow they were Krummed up that having a State before Moshiach is a Mitzvah, but why are the Non-religious still in Israel – if there is no more Zionist ideology? Let them all pack up and move to the US or anywhere that will take them?”
You’re right- I misunderstood you, and I apologize. However, I still uphold what I said. First of all, you’re right that many young secular Israelis are disenchanted with the whole idea of Zionism, which is why Zionism is dying- there is no second generation. But why should they leave? Israel is a country with first-world amenities, a growing economy, their native language, their native culture- everything they want from life. Even if they don’t believe in any idealistic dream, Israel is still a great place for them to live. Why should they leave? I’m sure you disagree with American politics in some respects, but that doesn’t mean you need to leave. Not uprooting yourself from your home since birth should not need to be excused. It should be a given, as long as you live according to the laws of the country. There is an astonishingly large (to me, maybe- I’m sure it’s completely obvious to YOU) number of pro-Palestinian Israelis- does that mean they should leave? You can’t force them or blame them for not.
HaKatan: Israel may retain socialist aspects from its beginnings (like Kupat Cholim, etc.), but you should hear my grandfather talking about when he was a kid. (He grew up on a kibbutz.) There’s been a growing inclination in the younger generations towards more capitalistic views. SO much of the socialism that defined the state in its inception has been tremendously toned down.
I can, however, see where you are coming from. While most religious Zionists I know focus more on the chibas ha’aretz rather than the whole government thing, I’m perfectly willing to accept that there are people who are more into the governmental part. I’m going to assume you’re talking about them, and I’m going to just say that I’ll agree to see your point while others may be more amenable if your language is moderated.