Again- no one is endorsing secular zionism (ie a land for us in order to be like all other nations)- rather i have said that there were great gedolim-like Rav Moshe-the Moetzes(beis din of klal yisrael)-Ohr Sameach etc.. who allowed the creation of the state- whether because oaths did not apply as per balfour,UN, defensive war etc OR while brought down by some poskim as halacha not halacha limassah according to all opinions OR dont apply anymore as per R”chaim vital after 1000yrs (quoted in thread). Secondly, you say they had a koach that Hashem allowed the state– that’s because we have a concept “lo’ Bashamaim He” it is not in the heavens- but rather we human beings who are worthy of issuing a psak halacha and are in the majority(in our case Rav Moshe, Moetzes, Ohr Sameach etcc) can make it so- so when the Posek Hador and Beis din of Klal Yisrael paken -it’s not just that it was allowed by Hashem- but it is Hashem’s will that it should be so because of the koach of the Majority such as Moetzes Rav Moshe and others. By the way this in no way takes away from the opinion of great gedolei yisrael like Satmar rav,Rav kotler , and Rav elchanon just that it was an eilu vi’eilu and the majority opinion on the Beis Din said ok- and therefore Hashem not only allowed it but willed it. Thirdly, no one is overlooking the problems with the state – rather also recognizing and being machshiv the good just as in mitzraym. And the description that mitzrayim is different because they hosted us is ridiculous – they did not leave chocolates on our pillows! – they killed us and enslaved us and removed us from kedusha for 210 yrs — the state allows us to practice yiddishkeit,tries to protect us with their own lives,and has even given subsidies to yeshivas and kollels for 60yrs -So Please – see the real history here.
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