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HaKatan
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lesschumras:

With all due respect, your post makes no sense. Zionism and Israel have nothing to do with freedom to practice our faith throughout the western world. Zionism and Israel are, however, responsible for tens of thousands of Jews who were sacrificed on the altar of their idolatrous State, thousands in the 1948 war alone. We discussed all this.

And none of the shmad perpetrated the Zionists can be expected to have occurred elsewhere. Before the Zionists shmadded them in Israel, the Yemenites had their Mesorah and resultant seforim, etc. intact from bayis rishon. Similarly, other sefardim and ashkenazim as well, were shmadded to Zionism (and I don’t mean “religious Zionism”).

None of this would (presumably) have happened without Zionism.

(Regarding the Holocaust, I believe it was Rav Gifter who wrote that it was common knowledge among the gedolim in the 1900s that Hitler YM”Sh was a divine agent of chastisement due to supporting Zionism. Other Gedolim may not have held that way, but it seems there were many gedolim who did. So your point there is not true according to some.)