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Avi K:

Regarding Rabbi Aviner, if they are not answers to him then that is only because his questions are not really questions.

Unlike his “answer”, which he needs because he is a Zionist, previous generations did not do what Zionism did, not because they were “anusim”; in fact, many in previous generations did go to Eretz Yisrael to live there and this was okay; the simple reason they did not do so militarily and en mass is that they knew it was assur because of the oaths.

The Yemenites were under such deplorable conditions (shmad) that they did ask the Rambam. And in Iggeres Teiman, the Rambam told them not to rebel against the nations because of the oaths.

Although “BiMakom Chilul Hashem Ain cholkim kavod LaRav”, since I don’t wish to paskin that this is such a case, I write the following with all due respect to Rabbi Soloveichik.

Regarding Kol Dodi Dofek, I already asked you where the Torah allows “opportunity” to, CH”V override halacha. I also wrote that Rabbi JBS was also historically mistaken about this “opportunity” of Israel which, objectively speaking (even without the oaths), we would have been likely far better off without, just as he was famously mistaken with his other prediction about traditional Orthodoxy not lasting in America while a few decades later the MO decries traditional Orthodox “triumphalism” as MO moves either further left or to the “right”.

Zionists have no answers.