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“But any step to try to get chareidim into the IDF is for the sole purpose of acculturating them to the idolatry and kefirah of Zionism. As a bonus, the giluy arayos is also included.”

This is not something that can be proven right now. Sadly, i think some actually WANT to believe this- but there is no classified checklist locked in a defense ministers drawer that reads “list of ways to break frum people and turn them into secular zionists after enlistment”… Some of the conspiracy-like things being said may (hopefully) turn out to be just that- made up paranoid conspiracy theories.

Everyone knows and feels that there is more to both sides official stances on the issue, that among other things, there is an underlying agenda for the Haredim to stand strong and protect the Torah empire that has been built. And that the Hilonim have a hidden agenda of destroying religious Jewry as we know it. However, if you ignore those “unwritten/unspoken” things, and you just look at the high level facts from an outside point of view it’s just a game of politics that has to be played.::

The reality is- the haredim say they didnt want a country and dont agree with the govt, yet feel no problem learning, while living off the land, in a society that requires all of the things that a society would require- skilled professionals, laborers, doctors etc … a society that desperately requires a strong intelligence and military defense, particularly because of its close proximity to almost a billion of its worst enemies R”L. BH the country has provided funding for our yeshivas, financial and social benefits to the poor, largely including bnei torah (and the bad eggs who don’t want to learn but don’t want to work) that willingly choose a certain lifestyle. There is however, a seemingly unanimous lack of ???? ???? for all of this by the haredi. Clearly, the extreme secular are resenting the extreme religious for being on the receiving end, so they coined the term “share the burden”…

I think what the haredi side has to do, as it would have done if they were living in a gentile regime, is appease the other side, and try as hard as possible to amicably work out the best possible deal for themselves. Treat it like esav…. I don’t get why widening the gap with the promotion of resentment, and things like the demonization of secularists, and stubbornness/unwillingness to negotiate or compromise is the right way to go. I am not one to question the likes of hakham ovadia shlita, so my guess is that we’re on the brink of something much worse than is being revealed to us right now.

What we all need to do is make peace among ourselves and pray. And stop your kvetching already.