Ok, so now that I’ve calmed down a bit it’s time to respond to individual posts rather than just ranting generally. Here goes:
SaysMe –
so well said!thanks for sharing!
Bored –
yup so well said!
mitzvagirl –
That was amazing!!! i agree with saysme so well said and in such a nice way!! no criticizing involved!!!
batseven –
I am a girl, and I can relate to what you wrote in a very positive way.
Its so true!!!
So all you girls know what’s going on in our male brains better than us males… Do you mind telling us how?! How on earth do you know what our thoughts, feelings and motivations are?! I’m telling you as a male (and one that was a teenager not so long ago) that it’s just not true, how dare you tell me that you know better?! From what experience are you talking, from whose first-hand knowledge are you gleaning your information?
And as for ‘no criticizing involved’… Seriously?! So what do you call the following:
those teens
Only treat us girls as toys…
But when it comes to caring about whats inside
Their hormones won’t let them see much
They know how to talk to us
And which buttons to press
To make us fall in love with them
And how to make us feel our best…
their only interest
Is the clothing that you wear
Your size skirt, and style shirt
And how you wear your hair
They can’t see past your curves and shape
And the makeup on your eyes
They could care less about how you feel
As long as you’re by their side…
We’re responsible for blinding them
From anything internal
And if one day you eat to much
And your skirt size jumps a bit
He’ll no longer appreciate you
And to a relationship he won’t commit..
using you for his games…
They come and go and break your heart
And make you suffer and cry…
That’s not criticising?! No, that’s outright bigotry. That’s making all guys out as animals. That’s beyond nasty. And ‘written in a positive way’?! C’mon! Positive for whom? Certainly not us poor benighted guys…
batseven –
No one is saying that boys are pigs, or terrible animals or something
See above.
its just a fact that they have a very strong yetzer hara, and therefore may very likely be looking at the girl not for who she is
And girls don’t have a yetzer horah?! The trouble is you see that us guys at least know about ours and, for the most part, learn to deal with it. Yes of course we see girls in the street and like the look of them but please don’t tell me you’ve never found a guy attractive. When my sisters were teenagers (not that long ago either) they’d talk quite openly about the kind of guys they fancied, it just wasn’t seen as wrong to them. But G-d help us poor guys who’d even think about admitting what kind of girls we found attractive because then we’d just be one of those shallow, external guys who can’t appreciate that females are more than just bodies. And because we’re aware of our ta’avos we can appreciate that there’s more than just the ta’avoh.
ultimateskier –
When speakers like R’Orlofsky, R’Mechanic, R’Wallerstien, etc come to speak to us girls they bash how terrible guys are amd thats why we shouldnt talk to them….so what do they tell you?
Pretty much the same thing. And then I told them that they’re talking rubbish (well R’ Orlofsky and R’ Mechanic anyway, I’ve never heard R’ Wallerstien). There weren’t many people in the room who took it sitting down, you can’t really tell a room full of guys something they know from experience to be untrue and expect them to believe it just because you said so…
mammele –
this poem is discussing those boys that are “hanging out” and trying to woo girls, not necessarily your average yeshiva bochur
No, it’s not. This poem is about boys in general. See above quotes.
P.s. Mods, sorry about the long post, just had quite a bit to say that needed saying.