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rabbiofberlin
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wow! The kool aid drinkers have come out en masse! Allow me to answer the comments one by one.

First=the case of Rav Goren was that the woman had children from teh SECOND husband without getting a get. The only way to make sure that these kids were not mamzerim was to invalidate the FIRST husband’s conversion,therefore making her a free woman. Rav Sherman’s psak was just the opposite: he allowed the woman to go free (and presumably get married and have children) and thereby INCREASED the possibility of mamzerim . If you posters cannot see the difference , I cannot help you, your minds are closed forever.

popa- I am not sure where my phraseology differs. I called Rav Sherman by his title and have not shown any animosity towards him. I even even said that he is fully allowed to exercise more stringent acceptance in his Bais DIN. I believe that he erred grieviously when dismissing ALL OF RAV DRUCKMAN’s conversions. Now, that is chutzpah.

Toi- In spite of what you say, no one has actually shown that Rav Goren’s sevoro was not valid.Ironically, all of these rabbonim who attacked Rav Goren viciously now stand up and speak on behalf of Rav Sherman- who did what Rav Goren did. It is correct to say that Rav Goren did it by invalidating a previous conversion ,but he did it to AVOID MAMZERIM. It was a political move by the chareidi establishment to oppose him because they wanted to disqualify Rav Goren- who was equal to them in stature and learning.

Sam2-see above. Rav Goren had a compelling reason to invalidate the earlier conversion- Rav Sherman did not and compounded it by letting the woman go free without a get. I am being very logical.Plus, do you really think that invalidating ALL the conversions was a logical step??

nitpicker- you should be more respectful of your posting name. There was no Bais Din that gave a psak that the children were mamzerim. They would have been that if not for Rav Goren’s intervention. And you must be hallucinating when you say that he “made a shomer mitzvos into a non-Jew’ The man sure wasn’t shomer mitzvos when he went back to his goyishe roots.

AS far as R’Moshe zz’l is concerned, i don;t know the teshuva you are referring to but there are numerous “ammseh rav’ where Rav Moshe did everything not to passel the children.