“To those who oppose the forcible drafting of bnei yeshivos, how would you respond to the argument that soldiers are able to be mekayem the mitzvah dioraisa of pikuach nefesh by saving Jewish lives from the surrounding Arabs?”
The Shulchan Oruch paskens that one should not be mevatel talmud Torah in order to preform a mitzva she’efshar la’asos al yiday achairim. So if the entire population of the State of Israel was learning all day, one would indeed be required to stop learning in order to defend the country. But seeing as the chillonim are B”H managing to defend the country rather nicely without the Chareidim’s help, there’s no reason that the Chareidim must stop learning and start soldiering.
akuperma:
“there is the position of many pro-zionist “hareidim” who support having other people bash Arabs heads, but want to learn gemara themselves. These are probably hypocrites. In America we call them “chicken hawks” – pro-war, but not wanting to serve.”
Nobody here is advocating “bashing Arab heads”; we just realize that we must maintain defense forces against those who seek to kill us, R”L. However, we also believe that learning contributes more to this cause than soldiering does; aileh bi’rechev vi’aileh ba’soosim, va’anachnu bi’shaim Elokainu nazkir.
Naftush:
“As for women’s singing, they can “force” sound waves to strike one’s eardrums but they can’t force one to listen.”
What is that supposed to mean? They can force you to violate the halacha, they just can’t make you like it?
ROB:
“Interesting that people believe that “kasher” is a veteran. I do not. I think he is lying and using it to bash the Army.
DaasYochid:… You are literally “mareh ponim shelo kehalocho” and you ignore whole sugyos.”
Please, it still during the nine days… lets try to cut down on the sinas chinom and beef up the dan li’kaf zechus.
HaKatan:
“rationalfrummie, your first fundamental error is assuming “we” need to keep control of Eretz Yisrael. This is something Mashiach will do, BB”A. Before then, we are strictly forbidden to take control of E”Y even if the nations want “us” to have it. Unlike many other halachic issues, nobody outside of Zionism (that I have seen) says that Zionists have “al ma lismoch” in their forcible conquest of E”Y and rebelling against the nations, both of which are separate and severe violations.”
How does any of that change the fact that today, we are surrounded by Arabs who want to kill us R”L, and we must defend ourselves against them?
lebidik yankel:
“I think it is absolutely true that someone in the army is fulfilling pikuach nefesh. At the same time if one can learn and leave pikuah nefesh to others, that is what shulchan aruch requires. And the army has enough soldiers.”
+1
ROB:
“If it is indeed pikuach nefesh, you MUST do it yourself and not leave it to others!”
Do you have a source for that? The Shulchan Oruch seems to say the opposite…