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ROB- i specifically wrote they are anti zionist for the sake of clarity. ironically, zionists also distort and misquote gedolim of yesteryear to shtim with their shittos. just like ive seen them on this site bring down R kalisher as a proponent of zionism because he liked aliyah. so we have to decide which approach is valid. either we apply both of them to the political movements and extrapolate what they would hold, or we leave both names out. the fact that loyalty to germany blew up in our faces doesnt mean he would have changed his attitude and hashkafa as to what we’re expected to do in galus, it just means that in this instance it ended badly. i would disagre and say he is a reliable source, and the irony is that for some reason alot of MO try to attach R hirsch to political zioninsm.