OURtorah:
Thanks again.
I’m not sure how much clearer I could have been that I am not judging anyone, but I’ll try again.
I also agree that a Zionist could be a tinok sheNishba just as could anyone else. But this is irrelevant.
As I’ve said before, there is a difference between “not judging someone” and making kosher what they are doing.
Put simply, someone who worships an idol, no matter how much you like them and no matter what their background is, has just done a severe sin. While they may not know any better or have some other reason for doing so, and might, therefore deserve the benefit of the doubt (Hashem certainly knows everything, including his background, intention, etc.), there is no dispute that idolatry is idolatry and is forbidden.
So to, with Zionism (or any other aveira, for that matter), a person’s upbringing and education is only relevant as regarding motives, schar/viOnesh, etc. But this is all irrelevant to the definition of Zionism. Zionism is idolatry and shmad. Period. There is no real dispute about this.
Given the name of this particular forum, I believe it is very appropriate to delineate where Zionism stands vis a vis the Torah.
As I said, I am not judging anyone, but one has nothing to do with the other.
Rav Elchonon, as I quoted before, wrote in ikvisa diMishicha that Nationalism and, lihavdil, Judaism is simply A”Z and, lihavdil, Judaism mixed together. Rav Chaim Brisker held similarly and even Rabbi JB Soloveichik publicly confirmed this view of Rav Chaim.
“Not judging” does not mean that Avoda Zara can, CH”V, be considered legitimate by observant Jews just as the baal and any other idol is correctly and absolutely not considered, CH”V, a legitimate Torah path. Zionism is indisputably A”Z and shmad.