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  • #596226

    yenta.morph
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    Here are some Extreme Regional & Family Chumros

    Some sound way out but ?? ?????

    No dairy even if milked & processed before Peasch

    No oil- only schmaltz

    No Sunflower seed oil even though it is not Kutnios. Beth Shearim & Yetev Lev (Grandsons of the Yetev Lev today give Hashgacha on cotton seed oil)

    NO black pepper (adulteration by Nochrim)

    NO cloves (adulteration by Nochrim)

    NO tea (? Bobov)

    No carrots (? skver)

    NO radish (? chabad)

    No gizzards

    No fowl (some German Kehilos)

    Live fish only

    No fish

    Nothing that came in contact with Non- meshumar surface (i.e. floor). Some will not use even after washing!!

    Nothing processed outside of home. (some prepare sugar water before Yom Tov)

    Extreme caution in ensuring no Matzoh crumbs come in contact with other foods IE eating Matzoh out of a bag.

    Anyone know of similar Safardi Minhagim! I know that rice is checked three times. Some ?????? (?) use only rice only and stay away from other kutnios

    #760498

    yenta.morph
    Member

    http://oukosher.org/index.php/passover/article/kitnios/

    Summary: Ashkenazim follow the custom not to eat rice on Pesah, but most Sepharadim, including our community {Syrian}, allow eating rice on Pesah provided that it was first checked three times to ensure that no wheat kernels are mixed in with the rice. {no mention of other Kitnios yes or no}

    http://www.dailyhalacha.com/Display.asp?ClipDate=3/28/2010

    #760499

    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    When you think about it, gebrokts has far less of a rationale than some of these, but people stick to their minhagim. Some that I’ve heard of/seen:

    A non-observant family that kept the minhag of not mishing but forgot about pesach dishes/kashering.

    Radishes (chabad)

    Coffee (chabad)

    Gefilte fish cooked square on Pesach to make a chiluk

    Not eating fish cooked round.

    Nothing that can’t be peeled, whether you actually peel it or not. (Baal Shemske eyniklach AFAIK)

    Slightly OT question: Does anyone here keep the Chayei Adam’s shita on Potatoes? 😛

    #760500

    BS”D

    Supposedly, Belz has a tradition not to eat something (forgot what) because back in Belz of old a barrel of it became contaminated right before Pesach.

    Many of us in Chabad don’t eat dairy. I was told 100 times that we can (and that it is a minhag from specific shtetlach), but I don’t (other than in the morning before the first seder) even when I do have access to reliable dairy for Pesach. I’m not sure about radishes. I do use oil; others don’t. Also, unlike some Chassidim who drink slivovitz on Pesach, we don’t drink mashke. (And yes, the real old Russian Lubavitchers do pronounce Arba Koisos as Arba Cases – that is our regional pronunciation!)

    Creedmoor adds bleach to their wine for the Arba Koisos. Red to them represents the innocent blood of Palestinians shed by the tzioinim, so they bleach it in order to make sure they are not drinking anything red. Of course, they could buy white wine, but if they did, they would not be Creedmoor.

    #760501

    BS”D

    Nothing that can’t be peeled, whether you actually peel it or not. (Baal Shemske eyniklach AFAIK)..also Chabad, and probably most all Chassidim.

    Coffee (chabad) Not sure, probably because I can’t drink it anyway. Some of us don’t use tea bags.

    #760502

    yenta.morph
    Member

    (???? ????? ????? ??? ?’??? ???’ ?????? ????, ???? ????? ???).

    ?????

    = Radish? At least Google says so

    Turnips

    = ????

    #760503

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    I have a minhag to not drink anything less alcoholic than wine.

    This is to make sure we don’t accidentally drink beer.

    #760504

    yacr85
    Participant

    Uh oh 600 Kilo Bear, my wife just figured out who you are!

    And I think She’s right!!

    My family has lots of chumros but I never felt restricted. Mt mom is a good cook, and its only eight days.

    #760505

    BSD I probably don’t notice radish missing because I don’t eat it during the year. I only noticed red radishes in one supermarket here and only this year; considering this is the heartland of Chabad, I wonder if the reference is to the white radish which a lot of us do eat during the year.

    Same as the coffee :).

    EDITED

    #760506

    yenta.morph
    Member

    PBA You are off topic!! The thread is about ???? ???? not ????

    Is this a family or regional minhag?

    Some beers have more alcohol than some wines as defined by NYS law. Oh!oh! here comes a quote from CCH

    #760507

    smartcookie
    Member

    Funny, we dont eat most of the foods mentioned here, and I didnt even know they’re extreme! Im so used to it I guess!!

    I can’t imagine why people complain that there’s nothing to eat Pesach, if you do eat all of these!

    About stuff falling on the floor-what do you do? We discard of any food that fell, and any cutlery that fell will not be used on Pesach anymore.

    #760508

    bennaishek
    Participant

    some dont eat unpeeled fruits and vegetables

    #760510

    BS”D

    I know of people who davka burn all the food for the Seder so that there is no chance of any chometz.

    However, it is considered meshubach to burn your house down at least 3 days before Pesach so the insurance company can set you up in a hotel in time for the sedorim.

    #760511

    good.jew
    Member

    I was once visting Popa on pesach, and what he said is certainly true. Popa’s family is very makpid. It is a minhag from some ancestor.

    #760512

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    as defined by NYS law

    Why should my family and community minhagim change because of NYS law?

    #760513

    catchylogin
    Member

    Sefardim from Salonica, Greece have the minhag of no potatoes or rice. Peas were permissible only if freshly shelled. Potatoes were considered chometz.

    #760514

    happiest
    Member

    600- my family doesn’t drink soda because back in the day the soda was said to be good for Pesach but they found out afterwards that it was not… therefore, we don’t drink soda until the last day of Pesach.

    We also do not eat gebrakts until the last day of Pesach. These both might be chassidish minhagim but I could be wrong about that.

    #760515

    always here
    Participant

    my shvigger, a’h, used to make falsa fish.. shaped like gefilte fish, made from ground chicken, cooked in water. they didn’t eat fish on Pesach.

    #760516

    yenta.morph
    Member

    PBA ??? ??? ?????”? ????? ???? ???? ??”? ????? ???? ???? ????? ??? ???? ????

    Now your “Minhag” is no longer exclusive to you

    #760517

    We also do not eat gebrakts until the last day of Pesach. These both might be chassidish minhagim but I could be wrong about that.

    BS”D

    Chabad holds as above. Soda – interesting. I think most Chassidim drink only certified soda water during Pesach. One year I bought expensive Irish mineral water and the rav said it was OK, but Rav Blumenkrantz AH mentioned there are problems with carbon dioxide on Pesach.

    #760518

    Shticky Guy
    Participant

    As the OP says, its important to remember ?? ?????, that even minhagim that we no longer think there is a need for nowadays should not be dropped without discussion with a rav. After all, why would we still keep 2 days ??? ??? in ??? ???? when we no longer have a doubt when rosh chodesh is!!

    #760520

    metrodriver
    Member

    Poppa bar Abba; “Not drinking anything less alcoholic than wine”. (Or, Whine”). Let’s put it this way. If someone doesn’t know the difference between 100 Proof Slivovitz and Seltzer, they’re already at the stage of “Ad D’Lo Yada”

    #760521

    yenta.morph
    Member

    600k highly unlikely that the ?”? refrred to white radish. Do a search on white radish & you will find that it is an oriental plant

    #760522

    holykugel
    Participant

    I heard that “Real” Briskers only eat Matza the first night and don’t touch it the rest of Y”T lest it contain Chometz…

    #760523

    yenta.morph
    Member

    For a glimpse into Brisker Matzos baking see

    http://www.hamodia.com/inthepaper.cfm?ArticleID=545

    In the full article there was the following story with some minute diffs in detail (cannot recall). The Hamodia version most likely more accurate as he was quoting the Brisker Rav’s son.

    One year when the B”R was baking matzos in Yerushalayim (and most likely in a similar vein to his grandfather the B”H) he was approached by an individual who wished to share a story of one of the great early Rebbes.

    This particular Rebbe would bake matzos with an incredible amount of stringencies and hiddurim. At one such baking there was a simple jew who was baking his matzos together with this Rebbe.

    When the simple Jew witnessed the awesome amount of exactitude with which the Rebbe baked his matzos he was overcome with great emotion and pain, as he was unlearned he was unable to bake his matzos as the Rebbe. He walked to the corner of the room and with tears in his eyes uttered a heartfelt prayer, “Ribbono Shel Olam!, Master of the universe! I am a simple man and unable to perform mitzvos with the same degree of care as the Rebbe, therefore I ask for siyaata dishmaya, help from above, that my matzos should be both kosher and beautiful…”

    The Rebbe overheard the prayer and immediately approached and requested of the simple Jew that they exchange matzos…

    The individual finished telling the B”R the story and it was quite evident to all the listeners what this individual was intimating, that prayer creates “better” matzos than exacting standards.

    Without the slightest pause or hesitation the B”R responded, “So we see the Jew’s prayer was immediately granted… ” [ he merited the best matzos, those matzos that the Rebbe baked with exacting standards (quite the contrary of this individual’s interpretation)]

    This all transpired in the presence of R” Yechezkel Abramsky zt’l, who was so awed by the response and quick-wittedness of the B”R that he would share the story to all those who would visit with him for a number of years.

    I heard/read another explanation why the Rebbe wanted the other Yid’s Matzos. ?? ? ???? ???????? The Yid told him the Matzos were Kosher. So he had the Torah’s guarantee, while about his own he was nervous. Sounds Real Brisk to me

    #760524

    BS”D

    Hmmm..white radish is awfully common here. At the price charged, it cannot possibly be imported. I do know about daikon, but I suspect it may have been grown in the Asian parts of the Russian Empire even during the time of the Tzemach Tzedek.

    #760525

    zaidy78
    Participant

    Yontel (original poster) wrote “Live fish only”.

    What are they eating? Live lobster? Goldfish from the tank?

    Never heard of that one before!!

    #760526

    zaidy78
    Participant

    Shticky Guy who wrote: “After all, why would we still keep 2 days ??? ??? in ??? ???? when we no longer have a doubt when rosh chodesh is!!”

    See the Mishna Brura on Yom Tov Shayni who says a totally different explanation for two days Yom Tov. Because of the leangth and bitterness of the looooooooooong golus, we will forget the cheshbonos and come ch”v to eat chometz on Pesach. (We may end up in a concentration camp and not have a calander with us to know the exact day!)

    #760527

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    What are they eating?

    He obviously meant fish that you pick up live from the fish store and then bring home and make yourself, as opposed to packaged fish.

    I don’t know what he would say about fish that are dead in the store but whole and on ice.

    The Wolf

    #760528

    charliehall
    Participant

    “the Rema (467:8) cites customs to not eat honey, raisins, dried fruit, sugar, saffron and cloves, and other Poskim cite numerous other customs from specific communities.”

    If one took on every Pesach stringency that has ever been practiced by every community ever, he’d starve to death!

    #760529

    charliehall
    Participant

    My only Pesach chumrah: We don’t sell chametz.

    #760530

    yenta.morph
    Member

    If one took on every Pesach stringency that has ever been practiced by every community ever, he’d starve to death!

    A friend told me that as long as MIL was living with them he practically starved. His parents did not eat fish. His MIL came from one of those German Kehilos that did not eat fowl.

    Visnits doesn’t not eat fish, Visnitzer Rebbe (Monsey) has for undisclosed reasons abstained from fowl all year. His first Pesach after that ???? he had to be Matir Neder.

    From what I heard the minhag of “no fish” stems from pre refrigeration days. To keep the fish fresh some sort of Chametz was used. Those who use only “live fish” make sure to see the fish alive at purchase. Many Heimishe fishmongers sell fish from British Columbia (I think)with a cert from a Mashgiach that he saw the fish alive.

    #760531

    cherrybim
    Participant

    “Many Heimishe fishmongers sell fish from British Columbia (I think)with a cert from a Mashgiach that he saw the fish alive.”

    You mean the mashgiach is on the fishing boat and eyeballs and tags each fish before they take their last breath? Sounds very fishy.

    Is there an extra charge for this service? I wish that I would have thought up this chumra first.

    And what does seeing the fish alive in British Columbia have to do with the fish’s kosher status in Williamsburg?

    #760532

    yenta.morph
    Member

    Sounds very fishy I would say sm….

    #760533

    cherrybim
    Participant

    charliehall- “My only Pesach chumrah: We don’t sell chametz.”

    So what do you sell?

    #760534

    langehBenjy
    Member

    our minhag is not to drink any type of soda just seltzer

    #760535

    cherrybim
    Participant

    Years ago there was no mechanism to produce food before Pesach and to preserve food for Pesach use. As a result, most foods had to be produced by the consumer at home on Pesach or right before Pesach. Many of minhagim of what was not eaten on Pesach is a direct result of this reality and has absolutely no bearing to the current way of producing and processing foods and the sophistication of the hashgacha enterprise. Most of the non-meat foods did not have hashgacha all year, so for Pesach many of these foods were not used at all.

    Our housewives are not opening up and cleaning chickens and gizzards right before Yom Tov and our floors are covered, vacuumed and chemically cleaned.

    Our homes are more halachically cleaned and hermetically sealed than the homes of the past. Many families are already pesachdic a days before Yom Tov, which was never the case back then.

    It was not economically viable to produce dairy for just the few days of Pesach since everything had to be fresh and, no matter what, dairy was not eaten on Yom Tov or Shabbos.

    So it seems to me that while there was good reason at the time not to use certain foods, today I would consider them shtus minhagim; certainly those minhagim that were not universally accepted by ashkanazim or s’fardim as a group.

    #760536

    to some of us, the Minhagim of our Bubbies and Zadies are very dear to us, and not shtusim, even if the original cause for the Minhag (which is not always as clear and simple as you would think)is no longer applicable

    #760537

    langehBenjy
    Member

    also i am told my great-gradfather was so machmir on matzah getting wet that not only did he eat matzah from a bag but during motzi matzah he had a seperate plastic tablecloth just for matzah and should matzah be on the

    same surface as food not even touching he would throw it out

    #760538

    cherrybim
    Participant

    Mod – Except that we tend to confuse a necessary abstention for the times with halacha l’maseh. If the Shulchan Aruch didn’t forbid it and it wasn’t picked up by k’lal yisroel as a group, it is a minhag that only that particular group may feel a need to follow. There is absolutely no inyan to pick up and follow minhagim that your family going back doros did not have. Adaraba, what does it say about your ancestors that they did not follow that particular minhag that you have chosen to follow, that they were not frum enough? Not so poshet is right.

    #760539

    SJSinNYC
    Member

    Not using soap is a minhag shtus IMO. For many reasons.

    I don’t quite understand why many Lubavitch won’t use lettuce products but will still use Romaine for the sedarim.

    #760540

    adorable
    Participant

    i just got an email the other day that is hysterical- different typical things all over the house that are covered in silver foil….

    #760541

    always here
    Participant

    SJSinNYC~ the Lubavitchers I know use endive … still a type of lettuce.

    adorable~ I saw those pix, too; it was EVERYTHING in the apt. covered in aluminum foil 🙂

    #760542

    commonsense
    Participant

    cherry, there are some people that do not allow matzah at the same time other food is on the table. they eat the matzah first on a plastic then replace the plastic and eat the rest of the meal.

    #760543

    cherrybim
    Participant

    commonsense – these are modern people who adapted the modern invention of plastic to the minhag; what did their bobbehs and zaidehs do?

    Also, how do they manage Koreich, when matzah and food are eaten together?

    #760544

    always here
    Participant

    & once again, re: Lubavitchers– they do not use any sort of spread on matzah… i.e.- no butter, no cream cheese. (to the best of my knowledge).

    #760545

    yenta.morph
    Member

    There is a famous story of Levi Itzchak of Berdichev as he was pleading to Hashem, saying that if the sound of shofar, coming out of letters Kuf ?, Shin ? , Reish ? , Kuf ? (tKiya, Shvorim, tRua, tKia) is producing weak angels because of our weakness in Torah and Mitzvos, then the work of Jewish ladies cleaning for Pesach (and) are certainly producing healthy angels, that can make up for weak blowing of Shofar.

    Kratzen scrubbing, Shvenken rinsing. Reiben rubbing, Kasher? &? Interchange

    Also, how do they manage Koreich, when matzah and food are eaten together I have seen them in action drying the leaves)

    #760546

    cherrybim
    Participant

    “I have seen them in action drying the leaves”

    Why, does it take them 18 minutes to eat Koreich?

    #760547

    yenta.morph
    Member

    Some sound way out but ?? ?????

    But it is really annoying when your kids do it at your table. It seems that they read ?? ????? ???? ?? ??? . But saying anything can really ruin ???? ??”? with nothing gained. In the greater picture I am proud of them

    #760550

    yenta.morph
    Member

    No problem!! The Pesach is roasted “no water”. ???? is not ?????

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