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I have always assumed that ???? refers to the whole of ??? ?????. (This could be based on the secular people living there who call themselves Zionists and claim the entire country is theirs and cannot be relinquished.)
However, I noticed something very interesting during davening over Yomtov.
We say ???? ????? ???… ?? ????? ??? ??? ??????? ???? ??? ???? ???? ?????. This refers to ??????? as an ??? and to ???? as ???? ?????, ie the ??? ?????. Not the whole country.
Similarly we say ?????? ??? ??? ?’ ?????… ??? ???? ???? ????? ????????? ??? ???? where we again refer to ???? as ?? ????, the MOUNTAIN of ????, ie the ??? ?????, and to ??????? as ??? ????, the holy CITY of ???????.
But then it all changes. We say ??????? ????? ???? ???? ????????? ??? ????? ????? ????. This now calls the CITY ????, not ???????, and the ??? ????? to be ??????? and not ????.Why has it changed?
And this is repeated when we say ????? ????? ???????… ??? ?????? ????? ???? ???? ?????? ????????. We are now again refering the CITY as ????, not ???????, and to the ??? ?????? which I understood to be the ??? ?????, as ??????? and not ????.
Has anyone come across an explanation of this besides the obvious one that is now apparent that they are interchangeable?
ive seen mifurash that tzion refers to the kodesh hakudoshim. dont remember where though.
They’re used interchangeably when Dovid Hamelech captures the Yerushalayim in Shmuel. He captured Yerushalyim by taking the Metsudat Tzion and that becomes known as Ir David. It certainly is not referring to the Mikdash there.
Metzudah means a fortress, so the pasuk in Shmuel would refer to the “fortress of [around] Zion.” That would still fit with Zion being Har Habayis or Har Hazaysim.
My guess is that the reference to Zion in R’tzey is Har Habayit because the bracha is about the temple service, which can’t be done anywhere else.
itch- what about shas heter bamos?
The bracha was written afterwards.
I think that it refers to Har Habayis, as ItcheSrulik wrote.
But does it always? Now that I think of it, where in tanach do we find Zion referring to all of Israel?
Who said we do?
The mountain where Ir David was is Har Tzion. It’s also used in Tanach to refer to Har HaBayis. These are not the same mountains.
Not really a Tanach person, but I’m not seeing your question.
Part of the city of Yerushalayim is a mountain called Har Tzion. It had a fortress on it. Dovid conquered that fortress and made the mountain his administrative headquarters (i.e. Ir David). As a result Tzion became shorthand for the entire city.
The Beis HaMikdash was on a different mountain, Har HaMoriah, that also was part of Yerushalyaim. Moriah is also used in Tanach as a shorthand for the city. (e.g. Hashem’s instructions to Avraham by the Akeidah).
Whatever Tzion is, if you must insist it’s not Yerushalayim, it’s certainly not a building that was located on a different mountain.
I’ve been looking for it (well, sort of; I glanced somewhere but haven’t really had time to look for it). I feel like I saw somewhere that the Passuk of Ki Mitziyon Teitzei Torah refers to the Lishkas Hagazis where the Sanhedrin sat.
Is New York a county, city, or state?
Shticky,
As you know, Tzion refers to either of the three that you’ve mentioned: J-m, Har Habayis, Bais Hamikdash, depending on the context.
In Nach VERY, VERY often a posuk seemingly repeats itself, almost poetically, and we learn from the different nuances.
. ????? ??????? ???????, ????: “???? ???? ?????, ??????? ????”, ?????. …(Shulchan Aruch Orach Chaim 561:1 as quoted from Yeshayahu 64:9)
One who sees Jerusalem in its destruction says: “Tzion has become a desert, Jerusalem desolate” (Isiah 64:9), and rips
BTW, there is a meforush who says that in Acharis Hayamim, the entire world will become E”Y and E”Y will become Y-m, so in that time it may very well be that E”Y will become Tzion.
This requires more iyun be”H.
Completely OT ( I assume, I haven’t really read this at all) But in the tefillah the Kohen Gadol says when he returns in peace, right before he prays for the people of Sharon( I know you read the artscroll on that one) he asks that we all return to the country in peace. Whats that all about?
sam- although the peirush of it means the lishkas hagozis in the second perek of Bava Basra by the story of yehoshua ben gamla it says metchila they used to send their kids to learn in ey kdiksiv ki mitzion vcolu as well as in a few other places it means their is a maaleh of learning in ey. so it is going on the entire ey
Tzion was the name of the Yevusi fortress that Daveed Ha Melech conquered. It subsequently came to mean Yerushalayim. It is certainly not all of AY
True, but it subsequently came to mean all of Eretz Yisrael in Jewish literature (think some kinnos). The only question is how early. See, Chacham’s cite of Bava Kamma.
Chacham: You’re rayah is even stronger because at that time, Jews were barred from Yerushalayim and were mostly in the Galil.
actually my raya is no raya tosafos there says ?? ????? ??? ????. ??? ???? ???? ????? ????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ??? ????? ??? ???? ????? ???? ?????? ???? ??????’ ????? ???? ???? ????? ???’ ???? ???? ??? ????? ???? ????? ??? ???? ???? ???????? ?? ????? ???? ??? ??? ???? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ???? ??????? ??? ?? ??? ????? ????? ???? ????? ?????:
I heard that the Gra said the Gemara is kipshuto though.
where is this gra because i think he doesnt argue on tosfos he just says there is still a pashute pshat
that means the entire ey
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