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    ZeesKite
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    There’s something beautiful I read in one of Rav Avigdor Miller’s books, about Makas Arov.

    ‘Arov’ – mixture – is the essence of the Makah. It wouldn’t have been half as bad, had only tigers or only lions run amok. It was the mixture of all animals together that brought about this great and terrible wild bedlam, chaos and total destruction.

    HaShem in His kindness set his creatures apart, each with its own needs and environment. Mixing of two items not meant to be, only causes catastrophe.

    Men are great. So are women. Each has their own particular tools to accomplish their ‘tafkid’ in life. However, they are separate. They think differently, look different etc. It is the mixing, mingling of the two that leads to catastrophe.

    Yidden are charged with a great mission in life. Goyim, too, have a mission. It is the mixing of the two that has brought about destruction over and over in the past, when Jews decided to get a bit too close…

    This all is straight from him.

    #846578
    zeena.kasta
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    I get that the calamity was caused by the culmination of creatures, but this does not apply to humans, especially not yiddishkeit. In yiddishkeit of course socially it is not best to intermingle too much, but we have to. Men and women work together in marraige and accomplish great things. The diversity in the way men and women are is not meant to be kept seperate, rather unity is celebrated. Those creatures can express the wild nature, our nefesh habahamis and therefore when a group is out of control and rely on instincts they reek havoc.

    #846579
    WIY
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    Profound and inspiring. Thanks.

    #846580
    WIY
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    Zeena

    I suggest you read it again then comment. Rav Miller isn’t against marriage!! He is against unnecessary mingling.

    Look at the non Jews of the world. See where the mingling has gotten them. Ask Gingrich what happens when there’s mingling and no boundaries.

    #846581
    zeena.kasta
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    Mingling is important if limited ofcourse. Im not for Yidden sociallising with goiim. but the suggestion that men and women should be kept so seperate that they will cause catastrophes is they talk is inane!!!

    #846582
    gavra_at_work
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    And I thought you would be discussing flies.

    #846583
    yungerman1
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    ZK- This pshat in the pasuk was already suggested by R’ Yosef Salant zt’l in his sefer Be’er Yosef.

    He explains that the mixture of the animals made the makka great, as each animal brought along the climate it lives in with him to Mitzrayim.

    #846584
    ZeesKite
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    Zeena: I’m quoting from Rabbi Miller. Nothing here my own.

    #846585
    zeena.kasta
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    I am not saying the idea is wrong, in fact I completely agree. I find it inspirational. Atleast the part where yidden and goiim shouldnt mix too much.

    But Jewish men and women, it is like we are one pack, rather than a variety of animals and we accomplish great things. We can be group of beavers and build a dam together. Or a pack of wolves that get food. Seperated and staggered we can acoomplish nothing.

    #846586
    WIY
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    zeena.kasta

    Are you really so naive? We dont need to look at the goyim for examples of mingling that led to disaster. Unfortunately and quite sadly and shockingly there are frum people today whose marriages end in divorce (and some which didnt but al pi Torah should have) because of either spouse mingling too much with someone else of the opposite gender. (Im speaking blashon nekiah read between the lines)

    #846587
    zeena.kasta
    Member

    no, ofcourse seperation is needed. But complete seperation is naive

    #846588
    ZeesKite
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    Again, Zeena – Rabbi Miller, who is smarter than all of us, knew kol HaTorah kula on his fingertips, knew of the worldly sciences and history as fluently as if on an open page, seems to indicate that.

    ?????? ?????? means as much as possible. ?????? ???? ?? ????? – again as we say “lehavdil”. Not mixing AT ALL. (not as you wrote they souldn’t mix too much)

    I think there’s a halacha brought down in shulchan aruch – a man should distance himself extremly, extremly (twice). That means as complete as possible.

    I think a Torah Jew follows halacha. (isn’t this yeshivaworld)

    #846589
    zeena.kasta
    Member

    ofcourse…..but that doesn’t mean that we should not talk at all. we need to so that we are unified as a people

    #846590
    ☕️coffee addict
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    Wiy,

    Why do you mention gingrich you can get the same answer from clinton

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