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  • #2550138
    ??coffee addict
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    Why is it called ק�”יש יתום if brothers say it? A more fitting name would be ק�”יש א�’ל since it’s said when people are in א�’ילות (I know, people outside of א�’ילות can say it if there’s no א�’ל, but technically it’s meant for the א�’ל)

    While we’re at it, one of the מצוות mentioned thats קרן קיימת �’ע�”״�’ and פירותי�”ם �’ע�”״�- is לווית �”מת why not � י�–ם א�’לים how is that different than �’יקור �–ולים?

    #2550455
    akuperma
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    Your question is about linguistics rather than halacha. Many things misnamed but we use the names anyways. In many countries the “Labor” party names suggests they are a party of blue collar workers, when in fact they are a party of left wing pseudo-intellectuals while working class voters support other parties. We refer to someone who hates Jews as an anti-Semite, even though there are many people speaking Semitic languages including the Arabs, and most people in Malta and Ethiopia (and someone accused of being an anti-Semite can not defended himself by claiming to like Arabs). That is how language is. One should note that since one says kaddish for almost a year, as opposed to a month for other relatives, the person likely to be saying kaddish in shul is usually saying it for a parent, which is probably how the term developed.

    #2550793
    ashergg
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    I think the core meaning of the word is something along the lines of deprived/left alone.

    #2550905

    akuperma> the person likely to be saying kaddish in shul is usually saying it for a parent,

    primary obligation is on the son if available, so most obligations will be on him.

    #2550969
    Kuvult
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    Sometimes the daughters go to Shul to say Kaddish.

    #2551012
    HaLeiVi
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    The Chiyuv of Kaddish is not on a brother.

    Regarding �”לוית �”מת and � י�–ום א�’לים, in truth they are both expounding upon �’מילות �–ס�”ים. And so, sure, every type of �’מילות �–ס�”ים is counted. However, we see that kindness that is done to a מת is considered a pure favor. That is likely why this was chosen to be spelled out, since ot exemplifies �’מילות �–ס�”ים.

    #2551161
    ??coffee addict
    Participant

    Is a 70 year old considered a יתום? Until what age/stage?

    Haleivi,

    So why about �’יקור �–ולים or �”כ� סת כל�” according to that reason it shouldn’t be there because “since it exemplifies �’מילות �–ס�”ים.” Doesn’t apply

    #2551249
    [email protected]
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    @Kuvult also sometimes the rabbi’s husband says kaddish, especially if they self-identify as a “yusom” or somewhere else on the mourner-spectrum.

    What’s really surprising is that there are other religions, like Judaism, where they keep jewish law and don’t profane “kaddish” with your reform pritzus.

    #2551714

    kuvult> daughters go to Shul to say Kaddish.
    some> bla bla bla

    why is it ok to disparage something that was and is done, even if some rabbis don’t agree and others (like R Moshe and R Henkin, I believe) not encourage but don’t forbid also.

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