February 9, 2017 8:03 pm at 8:03 pm #1224548☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Shopping, your teacher obviously has sources contrary to what I wrote. As my request for sources one way or the other was sincere, if you would be so kind as to ask her (and then relay to us) when chillul Hashem applies, and provide sources, I would appreciate it.
Thanks to the posters here who understood what I was saying.February 9, 2017 9:26 pm at 9:26 pm #1224549👑RebYidd23Participant
Have we ever mocked seminary teachers here? I think we have, but if we haven’t, it’s a shame that their side shot first.February 9, 2017 11:39 pm at 11:39 pm #1224550
“LU-I hope you aren’t offended. I’m just saying what she said.”
I wasn’t offended by anything you said. I was talking about someone else – that comment had nothing to do with you. I’m sorry if that was unclear.February 9, 2017 11:44 pm at 11:44 pm #1224551
DY + 1 million. Great response! I’m impressed.
btw, I hope you weren’t offended by the comment about your name. I was just trying to figure out which names she could possibly have taken issue with. And it occurred to me that if I had never read any one of your posts and all I knew about you was your name, I would probably have a very different (and negative) opinion of you. I would probably think that you were some kind of radical liberal who thinks that he never has to listen to Rabbanim and can just have his own opinions on everything.February 10, 2017 12:01 am at 12:01 am #1224552
RebYidd – I’m a seminary teacher and people have made fun of me. So I think you’re yotzei.February 10, 2017 7:14 am at 7:14 am #1224553
DY: I will try to find out…if I can. I am scared that if I ask she might realize it’s me, like I said the post was printed out from this year (not a few years ago) since the time stamps match the ones online. So for all I know she might have come back to get some more stuff. I don’t know. But I will see what I can do. Maybe I’ll wait a while…
editFebruary 10, 2017 12:56 pm at 12:56 pm #1224554
Shopping – I’m impressed with the way you are relating to sem and your sem teachers. Great attitude.
In terms of the above issue, can you have someone else ask her? Preferably someone she would never suspect of being a CR poster.February 10, 2017 3:19 pm at 3:19 pm #1224555HaLeiViParticipant
In terms of the above issue, can you have someone else ask her? Preferably someone she would never suspect of being a CR poster.
Or just say you’re that ‘someone else’.February 11, 2017 9:43 pm at 9:43 pm #1224556
Thanks LUL. I try to be. HaLeivi, I’m surprised you are interested in this. Haven’t seen you around in a while. I’ll try to ask this coming week or the next. Will keep you guys postedFebruary 12, 2017 1:12 am at 1:12 am #1224557YW Moderator-29 👨💻Moderator
Shopping, your teacher isn’t stupid. Please don’t jeopardize your standing in seminary for the curiosity of some of the posters.February 12, 2017 1:20 am at 1:20 am #1224558
I agree with Mod-29.
Shopping613: In theory, it may be fun to find out more but for your anonymity and that of your teacher, think about how that would play out IRL.
While I appreciate you giving us feedback on what was discussed about the CR in your course, you don’t owe anyone here any research.
You are welcome here as you are… and if your teacher wanted to address anyone here, then she can always do so.
Thank you and always nice when you stop by 🙂February 12, 2017 8:35 pm at 8:35 pm #1224559
Well I in fact wanted to ask her anyway for her sources because this whole situation got my interested in the real definition of a chilul hashem. So I guess it’s too late.February 12, 2017 10:49 pm at 10:49 pm #1224560
What do you mean that it’s too late? Too late to ask or too late not to ask? You mean that you were planning to ask but now you can’t because she will know it’s you because of the above posts?February 12, 2017 11:24 pm at 11:24 pm #1224561
As in I already asked.February 12, 2017 11:34 pm at 11:34 pm #1224562
Cool. So do you have an answer for us?February 12, 2017 11:45 pm at 11:45 pm #1224563JosephParticipant
Shopping, nu, so what was her response?February 12, 2017 11:46 pm at 11:46 pm #1224564
This just got juicierFebruary 13, 2017 9:56 pm at 9:56 pm #1224565HashemisreadingParticipant
Shopping, nu, it seems like everyone’s on shpilkesFebruary 13, 2017 10:57 pm at 10:57 pm #1224566
Her teacher probably told her that she has to look into it (i.e. ask her husband).February 14, 2017 2:05 am at 2:05 am #1224567Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant
LU – “DY + 1 million. Great response! I’m impressed.
btw, I hope you weren’t offended by the comment about your name.”
Wait, I thought it was the sem teacher that commented on his name?
LU – “I’m a seminary teacher and people have made fun of me. So I think you’re yotzei.”
Waaaaait a minute… Are you guys thinking what I’m thinking?February 14, 2017 3:00 am at 3:00 am #1224568☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Waaaaait a minute… Are you guys thinking what I’m thinking?
Lol. Yes, but… no.February 14, 2017 3:31 am at 3:31 am #1224569
Only if you’re thinking what Joseph is thinkingFebruary 14, 2017 8:58 am at 8:58 am #1224570WinnieThePoohParticipant
Na, she takes this site way too seriously to ever mock it.
But I think that Shopping’s teacher would fit right in here- great sense of humor and great at passing judgement on other people’s opinions. Isn’t that done all the time here?February 14, 2017 10:39 am at 10:39 am #1224571
DY – thanks for the vote of confidence. Yeah, that wouldn’t make too much sense.
Anyhow, I’m not actually teaching in a regular seminary at the moment. I just try to avoid giving too many details about what I’ve done when.February 14, 2017 10:40 am at 10:40 am #1224572
NCB- I was referring to this:February 14, 2017 10:41 pm at 10:41 pm #1224573Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant
LB – “Only if you’re thinking what Joseph is thinking”
How could a person be having the exact same thoughts as Joseph unless they’re just a Joseph alt account.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaait a minute… Are you guys thinking what I’m thinking?February 14, 2017 11:22 pm at 11:22 pm #1224574
“????? ?????? ????? ????”
Are you guys thinking what I’m thinking?
(I apologize if I didn’t get the quote exactly right).February 14, 2017 11:23 pm at 11:23 pm #1224575
“Only if you’re thinking what Joseph is thinking”
I think you must have meant Meno – he’s the expert at figuring out everyone’s secret identities.February 15, 2017 12:21 am at 12:21 am #1224577MenoParticipant
Are you all thinking what I’m thinking?
Are Shopping613 and Joseph the same person?!February 15, 2017 12:34 am at 12:34 am #1224578
Definitely – how did it take you so long to figure that out?February 15, 2017 2:41 am at 2:41 am #1224579
LuL: It’s a wrong quote. Oops, then I’d be ?? ?????…February 15, 2017 3:51 am at 3:51 am #1224580
I meant Joseph.February 15, 2017 12:19 pm at 12:19 pm #1224581
LF – is it really wrong, or was that just a joke? If so, can you please enlighten me? It’s a useful quote to know in life…February 15, 2017 3:39 pm at 3:39 pm #1224582
LuL: It is. Do I ever kid?!?
It’s a Gemarah somewhere so often taken out of context. You’re not my daughter (yet) so I can teach you a piece. Gemarah is discussing problems, pesulim in yichus, like one born from a parent who’s a slave, illegitimate etc. Gemarah then says ?? ????? ???? if one goes around constantly casting a p’esul on others (e.g. he constantly calls others mamzerim), he himself is a posul. Then the gemarah adds Shmuel Says ?????? ????, his p’sul is the same as what he casts on others.
P.S. No, you’re twisting your thumb the wrong way..February 15, 2017 9:38 pm at 9:38 pm #1224583
“P.S. No, you’re twisting your thumb the wrong way”
How did you realize…
And how do you know I’m not your daughter? Maybe your daughter has internet access and you don’t know about it (or she goes to Lakewood and uses their underground method of accessing the CR w/o internet).
Anyhow, thanks for the Gemara lesson. Just don’t tell Joseph…February 16, 2017 12:31 am at 12:31 am #1224584HaLeiViParticipant
Herr Froggie, in what way do people take that out of context?February 16, 2017 1:52 am at 1:52 am #1224585
Because pashtus it’s going on a p’sul of lineage, being mirrored to him.. Like the story with the one with ten sons, nine mamzerim, the negative traits inherent inherited by rote of his ignoble beginnings. Same as why the infamous ben-nidah (yoshke II) went off the way he did.
I don’t think it really applies to anything else, e.g. if someone calls others ganav, does it mean his being is “filled” with geneivus?
And besides, the quote is almost always wrong.February 16, 2017 2:10 am at 2:10 am #1224587
HaLeivi, I was wondering the same thing. Thanks for asking for me.
LF: “You’re not my daughter (yet)”
also trying to figure out what that means – the (yet) part. You can’t become someone’s father…. unless you have a son my age…..February 16, 2017 3:04 am at 3:04 am #1224588
Aha! That was smart LU. I had no clue what that meant.
Anything is possible.February 16, 2017 5:14 am at 5:14 am #1224589
Can’t believe you guys are SOOOOOO straight. Can’t I decide to mix in one extra weird word, for heavens?!?!?! Reminds me of a certain stern looking… Get used to the world (my world) out there.
(as I said before, do I ever kid?)February 16, 2017 5:44 am at 5:44 am #1224590
No you’re a frog not a goatMarch 12, 2017 12:24 am at 12:24 am #1224591
So according to my teacher a chilul Hashem is actually very complex and complicated. She went to a few rabanim and they could not define what it constitutes in a sentance.
The basic idea is that we represent Hashem. Anything to make people think negativity about Hashem is a chilul Hashem. (If you are following halacha and bein adam lichavero properly, then this is not applicable just as if a parent tells you to do something against halacha you do not listen) This includes both Jews and non Jews. If you have a specific scenario or situation where you need guidance at to if it will bring honor or dishonor to Hashem’s name, ask your LOR.March 12, 2017 3:36 am at 3:36 am #1224592
Thanks Shopping613 ~ very informative 🙂
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