January 25, 2017 2:48 pm at 2:48 pm #619088
Has anyone asked any rabonnim whether one is allowed to directly sponsor ISIS in order to do pidyon shevuim?January 25, 2017 3:41 pm at 3:41 pm #1219361
I think this post should be removed to stop anyone being possibly wrongly dissuaded from donating.January 25, 2017 3:50 pm at 3:50 pm #1219362☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
The gedolim supported sending money to the Nazis ym”sh to save Jewish lives.January 25, 2017 3:54 pm at 3:54 pm #1219363
The idea of a bribe is that someone likes money more than the item (or person). there are some people who are such ideologues than they cannot be bribed or they just take the money and dont do what you want.
The nazis generally said they would take bribes, but frequently did not release the prisoner and it was just a way to take money from jewsJanuary 25, 2017 3:57 pm at 3:57 pm #1219364JosephParticipant
I was about to post the same point as DY.January 25, 2017 4:01 pm at 4:01 pm #1219365JosephParticipant
They seem to almost have raised the amount needed. How’s one to verify this is a legit situation?January 25, 2017 4:35 pm at 4:35 pm #1219366
ZD – even if they only did it once and “only” saved one Jewish life, it was worth it.January 25, 2017 5:16 pm at 5:16 pm #1219367
Wow! I just checked it out for the first time. In just one day, they raised more than enough!
Whether it’s legit or not, that is a major tribute to Am Yisrael!January 25, 2017 5:17 pm at 5:17 pm #1219368
It does say it is verified, btw.January 25, 2017 7:02 pm at 7:02 pm #1219369
Actually no, because the money they stole from the jews was used to kill other jews and other people
About 30% of the cost of World War 2 was financed by money the Nazis stole from jewsJanuary 26, 2017 3:01 am at 3:01 am #1219370LightbriteParticipant
I don’t get how it’s morally okay to give money to rescue a Jew to an organization that is using that money to kill more Jews.
I see how it could be a loophole halachically, since one is knowingly rescuing one life, and indirectly maybe killing more lives. Yet it is not a direct transaction.
However then there is the whole impact of feeding into and reinforcing their patterns of behavior of hostage taking to fuel their terror.
Then again… if I had a way to rescue a loved one, then I think that I would do whatever it takes. That’s not a situation where I can sit on my high horse here criticizing. For sure I would be in survival mode, and unfortunately my brain would likely be highjacked by the conditions, deprivation, and such that anything would be possible to rescue someone I knew, or even didn’t know but was right there.January 26, 2017 4:11 pm at 4:11 pm #1219371
The campaign has now disappeared.January 26, 2017 4:18 pm at 4:18 pm #1219372
It wasnt exactly as stated. better information came out
The man was not kidnapped, he was arrested for murder (Might have been self defense) and the family of the murdered man wanted the money for killing their family memberJanuary 26, 2017 5:54 pm at 5:54 pm #1219373☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
The target was met. The story is still on ZAKA’s US website.January 26, 2017 6:01 pm at 6:01 pm #1219374
It had nothing to do with Isis. From the Zaka Website.
It would have been better had they posted this instead of insinuting he was being held by ISIS as a hostageJanuary 26, 2017 11:06 pm at 11:06 pm #1219375
To be dan l’kaf zchus, I guess they felt that it is the same thing l’maaseh. Sometimes when you give too many details about something, people miss the point. L’maaseh, he was being held hostage. Presumably the murder was self-defense (or defense of others) so l’maaseh, it’s really the same, but if you tell people he’s being held for murder, people will start getting suspicious.
Also, he might not want people to know about it.February 28, 2017 1:05 am at 1:05 am #1219376Thinking out loudParticipant
It is my understanding that pidyon shevuyim trumps all other causes. (Is that true?). I donated to this campaign. The trial was supposedly postponed for 2 weeks.
Does anybody know what happened since then?
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