5t vs Teaneck- what’s better?
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September 22, 2022 5:19 pm at 5:19 pm #2127414YwnfollowerParticipant
I’ve been a long term resident of the 5 towns. Born and raised. Recently in my Yeshiva there’s been an increase of bochurim from Teaneck. They always say that Teaneck is better than the 5ts but in my experience of going to Teaneck a few times I’ve never seen what there is to love about the place. So, my fellow ywn followers, what’s better, the 5 towns or Teaneck?September 22, 2022 11:35 pm at 11:35 pm #2127483
pick whichever has less pritzusSeptember 22, 2022 11:36 pm at 11:36 pm #2127484
hopefully one day you will grow to be a mature adultSeptember 22, 2022 11:38 pm at 11:38 pm #2127499
This topic came up before do a cr search for itSeptember 22, 2022 11:41 pm at 11:41 pm #2127500
Teaneck is completely very Modern Orthodox. 5 Towns is also mostly Modern Orthodox but with a dabble and mix of a little bit of some Yeshivish and Neo-Chasidus.September 23, 2022 1:12 am at 1:12 am #21275231Participant
UJM there’s been a right shift recently within the younger generation in Teaneck; a new HS opened up to accommodate an evolving demographic; at davening one can find even some bochurim wearing white shirts and hats and jackets. The difference is most of Teaneck is YU and only half of five towns is YU. Teaneck is less shmaltzy than 5 towns. You won’t find a restaurant opened past 10, though it’s a close drive to Monsey and NYC. 5 towns has more options for yeshivas and schools depending on what type of family you are.September 23, 2022 8:16 am at 8:16 am #2127548yungermanSParticipant
Much easier to live in one town of teaneck then live in 5 towns at the same time and stay focused on all the issues of all 5 towns.September 23, 2022 12:30 pm at 12:30 pm #2127627BenephraimParticipant
You can understand the area based on the feed. 5T was an oasis from Canarsie and the rest of Long Island. Teaneck cleaned out North Jersey, Washington Heights and what was left of the Bronx. There are real Chassidishe Rebbes in 5T and Riverdale with all the trimmings, not so in Teaneck.September 23, 2022 4:34 pm at 4:34 pm #21276691Participant
Not every town has to have a chasidishe rebbeSeptember 23, 2022 4:34 pm at 4:34 pm #2127678
I believe the Kiruv professionals and Kiruv Yeshivas should put a greater emphasis on outreach towards Modern Orthodox Jews, who are much more likely these days to be receptive than completely secular Jews. The secular Jews from the 1960s and 1970s are much further away today from any semblance of Yiddishkeit than back then. It is far harder, and much less successful, to reach them nowadays than back then.
Even though many MOs will not be receptive, indeed perhaps a majority even would not, there’s still enough of a minority, whatever the numbers may be, to work with. Much like in previous decades perhaps only 1 in 8 or 1 in 10 secular Jews approached by people doing Kiruv were responsive, that 1 in whatever the percent is, is a jumping board towards making Jews more observant.September 23, 2022 6:02 pm at 6:02 pm #2127701
Depends on how you define “MO”
if you think of nominally affiliated, marginally observant Yidden, they are not “MO”, but of course should be helped
If you think of people who go to YU and maybe go to court without a kippah after attending selichos in the morning – they may not benefit from your help, as they might be more learned than you are
If you think about people with crazy modern fetishes, like OO – they might be not receptive to your preaching. You may want to take a sefer, not directly addressing their fetishes, and sit and learn with them. At some point, with more learning, they may get betterSeptember 23, 2022 6:03 pm at 6:03 pm #2127703
Ujm, the average MO person is almost as distant from yiddishkeit as a conservative jew from the 70sSeptember 24, 2022 9:14 pm at 9:14 pm #2127782
Avira, that’s exactly the point in my last comment.September 24, 2022 10:05 pm at 10:05 pm #21278015TResidentParticipant
I’ve been living in the 5T for the past 21 years and I’m ready to get out. There is too much development going on, with large buildings planned, and the level of gaiva is ridiculous. Middos are lacking too. I’m not saying Teaneck is better but the 5T, in my mind, is done.September 25, 2022 10:14 am at 10:14 am #2127876
@5t, welcome to Brokklyn eastSeptember 25, 2022 10:19 am at 10:19 am #2127872
In 5 towns, the kashrus is on a higher level than Teaneck. The RCBC has a lot of shortcomings that the Vaad of 5 towns does not in policies and implementation of those policies.September 25, 2022 1:15 pm at 1:15 pm #2127928MarxistParticipant
Maybe try QueensSeptember 25, 2022 2:00 pm at 2:00 pm #2127947DaMosheParticipant
dovrosenbaum, I don’t know that your claim is true. Besides, not every place in 5 Towns has the Vaad as its hechsher. Wasn’t there a big fight, where a number of stores claimed the Vaad was basically a mafia organization, and another hechsher was started?
The RCBC is a very reliable hechsher, which can definitely be relied upon. I know that my rebbe, R’ Bender, trusts it. He once asked me who the Rabbonim on the RCBC are, and he told me they are definitely reliable. He also asked me for recommendations on what to order at a restaurant in Teaneck!September 25, 2022 5:05 pm at 5:05 pm #2127959
“Wasn’t there a big fight, where a number of stores claimed the Vaad was basically a mafia organization, and another hechsher was started?”
The problem was fixedSeptember 27, 2022 10:31 pm at 10:31 pm #21280825TResidentParticipant
I grew up in Kew Gardens Hills, lived there until I was 35. I’ve had enough of that place too.September 28, 2022 12:31 am at 12:31 am #2128094
>> “Wasn’t there a big fight, where a number of stores claimed the Vaad was basically a mafia organization, and another hechsher was started?”
> The problem was fixed
The scariest post of the year so far, maybe as intended…September 28, 2022 12:32 am at 12:32 am #2128089
Florida is your place.September 28, 2022 8:14 am at 8:14 am #2128148
Having worked in kashrus, I can tell you it’s shvach. Cholov yisroel places with workers drinking dunkin donuts coffee and ou-d items on the shelves. One mashgiach for 4 restaurants. Relying on eish m’eish l’chatchila. No locks on the gas. No separate fish keilim. Whatever the OU and Star K does, they don’t do.September 28, 2022 8:15 am at 8:15 am #2128139
“The scariest post of the year so far, maybe as intended…“
Louie took care of everythingSeptember 28, 2022 4:20 pm at 4:20 pm #2128288takahmamashParticipant
Be’er Sheva would come out ahead against any of these places. It’s a shame people won’t look beyond their dalet amot.September 28, 2022 10:48 pm at 10:48 pm #2128327
@takeh, people in glass houses should not throw stones.September 29, 2022 12:39 pm at 12:39 pm #2128393anonymousParticipant
When you say it was “fixed”, do you mean the Vaad was successful shutting down Mehadrin?!?
Nothing else was “fixed”. Only in the %Towns will you find a MO girl who is the mashgiach at an eatery. Does that happen in Teaneck too?!?September 29, 2022 12:39 pm at 12:39 pm #2128401lakewhutParticipant
Let’s not make it that VH5T is the gold standard and RCBC is treif.September 29, 2022 12:40 pm at 12:40 pm #2128402midwesternerParticipant
“Louie took care of everything”
And then Vinny took care of Louie. Don’t want any loose ends!!September 29, 2022 4:19 pm at 4:19 pm #2128458
Only in the %Towns will you find a MO girl who is the mashgiach at an eatery. Does that happen in Teaneck too?!?
Yes. In Teaneck you have Modern Orthodox kids as mashgichim, waiters or cashiers trusted as the designated shomer shabbos.
The Mehadrin hashgacha is a good hechsher. It’s run by top notch poskim. They didn’t weaken any standards.September 29, 2022 4:20 pm at 4:20 pm #2128460
I never said rcbc was treif just not on the high level of others.September 29, 2022 7:13 pm at 7:13 pm #2128538anonymous JewParticipant
You wouldn’t know it was Aseres yimai teshuva the way people are badmouuthing all MOSeptember 29, 2022 8:45 pm at 8:45 pm #2128559
>> Having worked in kashrus, I …
>> In Teaneck you have …
and that is why, kids, you don’t ask professionals about their opinion about other professionals.
very hard to avoid motzi shem ra and other aveiros.September 29, 2022 10:12 pm at 10:12 pm #2128570
Do you have some fact based evidence to say he is wrong or is this part of your standard “defend MO even if they are nichshol because it’s better than being chareidi” push.
It is absolutely false that you should not ask professionals for actual inside information. Do you ask your plumber to help you choose your wardrobe?September 29, 2022 10:28 pm at 10:28 pm #2128585
Clarifying my statement: you don’t ask a plumber about choosing another plumber, or a storeowner about other stores that they compete against. It is in halochos of lashon hara somewhere, I think. You can ask a plumber about a source of materials or about his opinion about electricians.
I hope if he were to say that someone is bad because he hires only satmars, I would respond the same. And “MO” is a way too ambiguous term. I don’t know whether that mashgiach dresses in shorts, does not wear bekesha, drinks halav stam, or responds to her/them. It is just a gratuitous slur towards a large group of Yidden, something not recommended this season.September 29, 2022 10:42 pm at 10:42 pm #2128588
“you don’t ask a plumber about choosing another plumber, or a storeowner about other stores that they compete against. ”
It is clear you are unaware of what it means to be in hashgocha
“It is just a gratuitous slur towards a large group of Yidden”
That is only true when Avirah uses it. In some cases it references people who do not abide by many of what they consider chumrot but don’t always have Halachic authority to back it. I am not talking about those who do, but some are literally just lax in mitzvos and halachos that they have deemed extraneous (yes, by their own admission) and should not be allowed to be mashgichim. You will defend them with your life and call them victims simply because you abhor the concept of them being insulted, without even bothering to find out if it is actually warranted. You seem to be willing to be lax in kashrus just to be stubborn instead of researching and being careful.
Yes, yes, yes there are chareidim who are also unqualified but I am talking about you defending something on stubborn ego instead legit halacha.
You, sir, are acting as the bigot you abhor and seem more worried about defending the unknown teen than the standards of kashrus.September 29, 2022 11:22 pm at 11:22 pm #2128591
> you are unaware of what it means to be in hashgocha
I understand that everyone concerned about kashrus would love to hear more insider info. In this case, though, you have a guy from one derech brushing off another one. Halochos of competing businessmen should apply to mashgihim same way as to plumbers, lawyers, or teachers. I do not see a difference here, if there is some, please enlighten me.
> defending the unknown teen than the standards of kashrus
I admit, if I were going to that restaurant myself, maybe I would worry more. As it is, I am going by what is in the post. If there is a valid concern and the poster would like to impress me, or others like me, he would be better off being specific about problems instead of offending – teen that are not shomer shabbos, who did not learn hilchos basar & chalav, whose shorts’ length is not al pi halocho, etc.September 29, 2022 11:22 pm at 11:22 pm #2128593
> seem more worried about defending the unknown teen than …
thanks for stressing this laudable aspect of my personality. “Unknown” seems like a diminutive, but it is not:
First, motzi shem ra about group of people is worse than about one person and requires a difficult and imperfect teshuva. For example, the poster might build water fountains in the towns where this group of people live (is this suggestion by Chofetz Chaim, or an earlier one, I am not
Second (unique for online discussions rather than private motzi shem ra) – very likely someone working in such a job might be reading CR and be offended by it.September 30, 2022 12:13 am at 12:13 am #2128599
My rebbeim taught me that if you wouldn’t eat in someone’s house, don’t eat in their restaurant (or under their hashgocha).
I wouldn’t eat in a home where the women don’t dress according to halacha, or if the men disregard halachos of shmiras eynayim altogether. Why would you trust someone who doesn’t accept mitzvos as a Mashgiach? Why are they believed to be relied upon when they are invalid as witnesses? This includes, according to rav vosner, someone who has unfiltered internet.
There are plenty of restaurants with Mashgichim/owners who wear knit yarmulkes, who i have no problem eating in, but I wouldn’t eat in a place if i saw the Mashgiach watching a movie on his phone, regardless of how he’s dressed.September 30, 2022 12:14 am at 12:14 am #2128596
“Halochos of competing businessmen should apply to mashgihim same way as to plumbers, lawyers, or teachers. I do not see a difference here, if there is some, please enlighten me. ”
Again, you don’t understand how hashgocha works. Go look into it yourself. I have never had success enlightening you about anything.September 30, 2022 12:15 am at 12:15 am #2128597shlita1234Participant
I live in Teaneck, and I can tell you that whatever has been said here is complete sheker and motzei shem ra on an entire community. The oilam needs to understand that although there are some within the community that do not adhere to halacha as strictly as you would like, the majority of the community follows halacha to the tee at the direction of daas torah. This entire thread of absolute shtus should be stopped by the moderators, especially in light of the assares yimai teshuva!
To all those that are wondering, the RCBC is listed amongst the recommended hashgachos from the CRC and Star K. Last i checked, this list is pretty reliable….
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