Gog Umagog

30 years ago they said it was the Soviet Union.

And 40 years before that they said it was Germany

Iran is Gig

CA
“I don’t care what happens I just want moshiach to come”

in yiddishkeit, if a person wants something (be it a livlihood, shidduch or child etc…) a person needs to do more then just daven & say tehillim, the person needs to also YEARN for it.-sadly- in today’s society we are living in, we are not YEARNING for the Bais Hamikdosh, we have everything from planes to cars & computers etc… even the gift of Shabbos for Gashmius to sleep & relax etc… HASHEM SAYS to klal yisroel, come back to me when your ready & ask me for something from your HEART & i will give you whatever you want (i’m sure if your child came to you for something you would get it, why wouldn’t you? the love between a parent & child is unlimited…. & that’s the way Hashem loves EACH & EVERY ONE OF US)

We “WANT” Moshiach. Of course! But why? For “me”, not because of “Za’ar Hashechina. As brought out in another thread “Chabad Shelucha Re- Moshiach”, WE want Moshiach now!, and the dagesh is not WE but Hashem wants Moshiach, but we have to want it for the RIGHT REASON. We do mitzvos NOT to bring Moshiach, we do mitzvos because Hashem commanded us.

Health,

Anything can be gog umagog so the answer is yes

Sam Klein,

And who says I don’t? I’m assuming you do (and countless gedolim throughout the ages)

So the reason must be that we don’t know what’s good for us or not (only Hashem knows what’s ultimately good and it seems like we still have stuff to fix up

To try ro figure something out by only talking about the physical, is tipshus. Its all speculation.

Not one post of any actual details of anything having to actually do with gog and magog, really shows ignorance. Jumping to say Iran, shows even more ignorance.

Its spiritual, mainly.

Not gonna happen, Israel will crush them before they can make a move.
Unless this is the Third World War before mashiach

Look folks, I think you are feeding into Health’s unHealthy obsession with seeing stuff online and then thinking it must be true.

ילקוט שמעוני, ישעיה, סימן תצט,
ד”ה אמר ר’ יצחק
See above… Also brought down by the Mordechi – I forgot in which masechta. Pretty clear it will be the Persians who destroy the world while in conflict with the Arabs (Saudi Arabia/UAE?).

Who could be Moshiach?
Who are nowadays the 36 righteous ones?

Health, yes everything is spiritual, which is not what I said. I said Gog and Magog is mainly spiritual. Which means it is mainly spiritual. Which means it is a major waste of time trying to figure out which “countries” are involved when that is hardly the picture at all.

Especially if you are only looking At the physical and ignoring all the details that chazal have said about it, which would actually help you come to the correct conclusions about gog and magog, as opposed to try to figure out what country it is.

You can go inside the building and the lobby and see all the rooms and the penthouse, and all you want to do is to look at the revolving door on the outside of the building, as you “speculate” as to what gog and magog could be, based off no valid information whatsoever.

Health

All of us have heard, read & seen tons of true stories of people who had their first child at 42 or had a sick child in critical condition, & then the doctor says i’m very sorry but your daughter has only 3 hours to live & then he comes back 2 hours later & says its really a miracle but your child is beginning to recover etc…. Why is it that they finally had a child & the child recovered? There could be tons of answers, but the most common answer Is a Pasuk we say 3 times a day in Davening. Hashem is close to all who call to him, to all who call out truthfully. (Tehillim 145)Because they cried out from their heart, they really meant what they were saying when they davened to H-shem to have a baby or for his daughter to recover etc…. there’s a reason we call Hashem, Avinu She’bashamayim (our father in heaven) Hashem loves us from a father to a son & is waiting to put his Shchina (presence) & his bais hamikdosh back in this world. If we really cried out for the Bais Hamikdosh from our heart with truth & show that we are missing it, then we wouldn’t still be in Golus today.

CA

so let’s be more clear and be straight and to the point so everyone knows

What exactly is your question precisely and clearly? Cause from what I read above your comments it seems like it was answered by others. Just not me.

For what it’s worth, my opinion:

No one today knows who Gog is. And no one today knows who Magog is. And it won’t be apparent who they are until after the deed is done.

(Yes, I know I’m an apikores for having such a opinion. I don’t care.)

The Wolf

How is Iran any more aggressive today than twenty years ago? The big question out of Iran, is how much longer can they prevent themselves from crumbling from within?

most optimistic headline I saw was “dozens demonstrate against Israel in Dubai”. I know you can’t expect “millions” out of 3 mln of Dubai residents, but “dozens” sounds like a very healthy number. There are more members of Congress against Israel than in Dubai.