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  • #1945051
    Health
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    I saw a video explaining that Iran will start the war and e/o else joins in.
    From current events – this looks like very Imminent!
    Comments – Pro or Against?

    #1945062
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Pro or against what? That this is what’s going to happen?

    I don’t care what happens I just want moshiach to come

    #1945064
    ujm
    Participant

    30 years ago they said it was the Soviet Union.

    #1945067
    emes nisht sheker
    Participant

    Maybe watch less videos.

    #1945068
    midwesterner
    Participant

    And 40 years before that they said it was Germany

    #1945075
    Health
    Participant

    CA -“That this is what’s going to happen?”

    Yes. Is this a good probability?

    #1945089
    Sam Klein
    Participant

    Iran is Gig

    CA
    “I don’t care what happens I just want moshiach to come”

    in yiddishkeit, if a person wants something (be it a livlihood, shidduch or child etc…) a person needs to do more then just daven & say tehillim, the person needs to also YEARN for it.-sadly- in today’s society we are living in, we are not YEARNING for the Bais Hamikdosh, we have everything from planes to cars & computers etc… even the gift of Shabbos for Gashmius to sleep & relax etc… HASHEM SAYS to klal yisroel, come back to me when your ready & ask me for something from your HEART & i will give you whatever you want (i’m sure if your child came to you for something you would get it, why wouldn’t you? the love between a parent & child is unlimited…. & that’s the way Hashem loves EACH & EVERY ONE OF US)

    #1945100
    samthenylic
    Participant

    30 years ago the USSR, 40 years ago the Arab Oil Embargo. Each year a different party according “The Enemy Of The Time” is. I don’t care who, but “Kolu kol hakitzim” & let Moshiach come already!

    #1945099
    samthenylic
    Participant

    We “WANT” Moshiach. Of course! But why? For “me”, not because of “Za’ar Hashechina. As brought out in another thread “Chabad Shelucha Re- Moshiach”, WE want Moshiach now!, and the dagesh is not WE but Hashem wants Moshiach, but we have to want it for the RIGHT REASON. We do mitzvos NOT to bring Moshiach, we do mitzvos because Hashem commanded us.

    #1945105
    Shalom-al-Israel
    Participant

    I think most yiden are just metzapim…without calculating בהדי כבשי דרחמנא…

    #1945111
    Health
    Participant

    “Is this a good probability?”

    I’ll answer my own question.

    After I posted this Topic – YWN News posted this:
    “The US will never attack Iran, Israel will have to act alone”
    “The United States will never attack the nuclear facilities in Iran,” Hanegbit told Kan News. ” Israel must decide whether it will accept a nuclear Iran or will be forced to take independent action to remove this danger.”

    Now that the US is Under the Democratic Party – this makes a lot of sense -“Iran will start the war and e/o else joins in”!

    #1945118
    Teal
    Participant

    Actually a long time ago and recently I saw in two different seforim, (I can’t remember exactly which ones at the moment) that milchemes gog umagog will stem in the USA. I totally ignored it as I was thinking, honestly? Wull a malchus shel chessed turn against us?? But recently, with the turn of politics and it’s spiraling in the most lowest of lowest, that note came back to me and I’m beginning to realize, Hey! Look how Hashem turns the world for His kids…. and we never know where it will obviously stem from. What I do believe is that it is all a process over a long time and the 2 world wars definitely are part of it… let’s hope Moshiach will come fast!!

    #1945139
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Health,

    Anything can be gog umagog so the answer is yes

    Sam Klein,

    And who says I don’t? I’m assuming you do (and countless gedolim throughout the ages)

    So the reason must be that we don’t know what’s good for us or not (only Hashem knows what’s ultimately good and it seems like we still have stuff to fix up

    #1945146
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    The Pelei Yoetz says to have in mind לישועתך קוינו כל היום. we hope for Your (Hashem’s) help. The Arvei Nachal says המתפלל בעד אחרים whoever prays for others (Hashem) והוא צריך לאותו דבר and he needs that thing (redemption) הוא נענה תחילה he will be answered first.

    #1945233
    avreichamshlomo
    Participant

    To try ro figure something out by only talking about the physical, is tipshus. Its all speculation.

    Not one post of any actual details of anything having to actually do with gog and magog, really shows ignorance. Jumping to say Iran, shows even more ignorance.

    Its spiritual, mainly.

    #1945202
    Health
    Participant

    CA -“Anything can be gog umagog so the answer is yes”

    The point I’m making is that other posters – 1. said the Soviet Union & another said 2.Germany.
    Both could have been, but it didn’t pan out.
    This could very well pan out, because it looks like Iran (Persia) is being very Aggressive, especially to E.Y.
    And by Gog Umagog, it says they will attack or try to attack Yerushalyim!

    #1945250
    Yt
    Participant

    Not gonna happen, Israel will crush them before they can make a move.
    Unless this is the Third World War before mashiach

    #1945265
    Shalom-al-Israel
    Participant

    R.e.#1945146
    בעד אחרים or בעד חבירו?

    ___
    Re the topic.
    I remember זוהר פרשת וארא…

    #1945269
    emes nisht sheker
    Participant

    Look folks, I think you are feeding into Health’s unHealthy obsession with seeing stuff online and then thinking it must be true.

    #1945284
    rational
    Participant

    Having finished my vaccination process, and waiting for Moshiach’s arrival here instead of waiting for him to send me an overseas invitation, I’ll go out to the store and buy a yearnomometer.

    #1945294
    Curiosity
    Participant

    ילקוט שמעוני, ישעיה, סימן תצט,
    ד”ה אמר ר’ יצחק
    See above… Also brought down by the Mordechi – I forgot in which masechta. Pretty clear it will be the Persians who destroy the world while in conflict with the Arabs (Saudi Arabia/UAE?).

    #1945345
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Health,

    I heard that it was supposed to be 3 wars (gog umagog)

    So what above posters said doesn’t make it wrong

    Additionally as I have said before on a certain troll’s post if he’s ignored he’ll hopefully go away (right syag?)

    #1945379
    yid1818
    Participant

    Who could be Moshiach?
    Who are nowadays the 36 righteous ones?

    #1945386
    Health
    Participant

    AS -“Its spiritual, mainly.”

    Everything is spiritual, but we’re talking about how it’s going to manifest itself in the physical.

    #1945394
    Health
    Participant

    Yt -“Not gonna happen, Israel will crush them before they can make a move.
    Unless this is the Third World War before mashiach”

    That’s exactly the point – maybe this is the 3rd World War!

    I wonder what’s going to happen with the World Court?
    Are they gonna side with Iran against the US?!?

    #1945469
    akuperma
    Participant

    You are confusing Gog uMagog with the three stooges. Perhaps you are watching too much of the goyim’s media which have an absurd focus on “end of the world”. Relax and get back learning and davening and stop worrying so much.

    #1945537
    avreichamshlomo
    Participant

    Health, yes everything is spiritual, which is not what I said. I said Gog and Magog is mainly spiritual. Which means it is mainly spiritual. Which means it is a major waste of time trying to figure out which “countries” are involved when that is hardly the picture at all.

    Especially if you are only looking At the physical and ignoring all the details that chazal have said about it, which would actually help you come to the correct conclusions about gog and magog, as opposed to try to figure out what country it is.

    You can go inside the building and the lobby and see all the rooms and the penthouse, and all you want to do is to look at the revolving door on the outside of the building, as you “speculate” as to what gog and magog could be, based off no valid information whatsoever.

    #1945639
    Health
    Participant

    AS -“I said Gog and Magog is mainly spiritual.”

    Bring proof, like from a Sefer.
    Or is this your own Chiddush?

    #1945808
    Sam Klein
    Participant

    Health

    All of us have heard, read & seen tons of true stories of people who had their first child at 42 or had a sick child in critical condition, & then the doctor says i’m very sorry but your daughter has only 3 hours to live & then he comes back 2 hours later & says its really a miracle but your child is beginning to recover etc…. Why is it that they finally had a child & the child recovered? There could be tons of answers, but the most common answer Is a Pasuk we say 3 times a day in Davening. Hashem is close to all who call to him, to all who call out truthfully. (Tehillim 145)Because they cried out from their heart, they really meant what they were saying when they davened to H-shem to have a baby or for his daughter to recover etc…. there’s a reason we call Hashem, Avinu She’bashamayim (our father in heaven) Hashem loves us from a father to a son & is waiting to put his Shchina (presence) & his bais hamikdosh back in this world. If we really cried out for the Bais Hamikdosh from our heart with truth & show that we are missing it, then we wouldn’t still be in Golus today.

    #1945812
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Sam,

    You haven’t answered my point and just wrote what you wrote earlier

    #1945989
    Sam Klein
    Participant

    CA

    so let’s be more clear and be straight and to the point so everyone knows

    What exactly is your question precisely and clearly? Cause from what I read above your comments it seems like it was answered by others. Just not me.

    #1946028
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Sam,

    This is my comment from above

    “And who says I don’t? I’m assuming you do (and countless gedolim throughout the ages)

    So the reason must be that we don’t know what’s good for us or not (only Hashem knows what’s ultimately good and it seems like we still have stuff to fix up“

    So your comment of

    “If we really cried out for the Bais Hamikdosh from our heart with truth & show that we are missing it, then we wouldn’t still be in Golus today.“

    Still didn’t address it (and no one else did because I’m directing it at you since you’re the one saying it

    #1947916
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    For what it’s worth, my opinion:

    No one today knows who Gog is. And no one today knows who Magog is. And it won’t be apparent who they are until after the deed is done.

    (Yes, I know I’m an apikores for having such a opinion. I don’t care.)

    The Wolf

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