Hedonism in honor of Chanuka, to benefit Tzedaka

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    The Hellenists tried to benefit tzsedaka?

    Reb Eliezer

    Tzedaka can be use for physical reason and not spiritual. There is the argument between Beis Shamai and Beis Hilel how to light Chanukah candles. The Beis Shamai says to diminish it every day as the parei hachag by reducing the influence of physical, material of Helinistic doctrine and the Beis Hilel says to elevate the spiritual. One will automatically reduce the physical as we cannot have עשה טוב, to do good if we don’t have סור מרע, turn away from bad first.

    catch yourself


    The Hellenists followed the example of the Greeks in venerating Pleasure and the physical aspect of man.

    The referenced story is a perfect example of such a value system. It subordinates the concept of tzedaka to the deification of Pleasure in order to make the hedonism more palatable to frum people.

    This is not tzedaka; certainly not in the sense of “righteousness”, nor even in the sense of “charity.” On the contrary, this is the perversion of those concepts in order to quell the conscience and permit grossly excessive gluttony in violation of the spirit of the Torah.

    Reb Eliezer –

    I have no idea what your comment has to do with this thread. I also do not think I agree with your particular formulation of the message. Perhaps something got lost in translation. What is the source?


    Where do chazal bring down that “gluttony” is an indirect form of hidur mitzvah and that your gashmius can be my ruchnius

    Reb Eliezer

    The Olelos Ephraim from the Kli Yakar Darush 46 says the above to elevate the spiritual, ruchnios or deprecate the physical, gashmius? The argument in Purim is similar whether it is baruch Mordechai or arur haman?

    efshar azoi



    I hope kosher food prices don’t get so bad that we look back and laugh about what a bargain this $18K doughnut was.


    To ubiquitin: How about learning to spell and proofread?

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