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August 15, 2012 6:09 pm at 6:09 pm #604574BigGolemParticipant
Here’s a thought experiment: We know there are many Charedim who wish for the peaceful dissolution of the state of Israel. It would have been if the State never existed. What if Charedim had an opportunity (in a parallel universe, perhaps) to establish a state of their own, to govern themselves and those who live among them, in any way they like. This is all pre-moshiach of course (again, it’s just a thought). What kind of society would they create? Which country would it most closely resemble today? Would you want to live in such a state?
August 15, 2012 7:25 pm at 7:25 pm #954706WIYMemberIt depends who would run it. If it were ran by our gedolim and they had full authority and there was no risk of “askanim” and extremists taking over I would be all for it but this is wishful thinking because we all know that the Eida would launch a revolution and things would get bloody. Until Moshiach comes and we have real ahavas yisroel and all those involved in klal work will do things lishma and not for gayva and kuvid for this cant be a reality.
August 15, 2012 8:14 pm at 8:14 pm #954707twistedParticipantIt would closely resemble the Vaad arba Aratzos, or Monroe.
August 15, 2012 10:29 pm at 10:29 pm #954708goldersgreenerParticipantI heard from the brisker Rosh Yeshiva that the Brisker Rov that even were the chofetz chayim to be Prime minister it would be still be forbidden to have a state. (i heard it myself in Chumash Shiur.)
August 15, 2012 11:16 pm at 11:16 pm #954709Sam2ParticipantWIY: Ahavas Yisrael brings Mashiach, not vice versa.
August 16, 2012 3:04 am at 3:04 am #954710WIYMemberSam
Actually once Moshiach comes there will be Ahavas Yisroel but true Ahavas Yisroel can bring Moshiach but looking at how splintered we are now its sadly quite hard to imagine Moshiach coming about that way.
August 16, 2012 3:44 am at 3:44 am #954711Sam2ParticipantWIY: Ad’raba. We should work on it so that Mashiach can come that way. Because if it doesn’t then it would be very bad for K’lal Yisrael.
May 28, 2013 12:09 am at 12:09 am #954712ZushyParticipantNow this topic sounds really fest. I think we should revive it.
May 28, 2013 3:01 am at 3:01 am #954713HaLeiViParticipantOk. It would resemble the old Yishuv.
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