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The following tweet, originally in Hebrew which I translated is amazing:
Eliyahu Pollack @eli020187:
I just want to think about it for a moment: over 70 years ago, the Jewish community of Mir was murdered, the yeshiva exiled. Today – this is perhaps the largest yeshiva in the world. Hitler [ym”s] and his troops are long gone, the voice of the Torah of Yeshiva Mir can be heard alive and well, now, in the heart of Jerusalem.
(13 Nov 22)
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Years ago, I read a book titled:
איך וויל זיי איבערלעבן
By a survivor
We should give thanks to Sugihara who helped Mir to go to Shanghai.
In the interest of historical truth, Mir Yeshiva did _not_ run away from Nazis.
Always
I’m assuming that you’re referring to the fact that once they went to Lithuania, technically it was the Russians that they were worried about.
But the reality is that mir was destroyed by the Nazis. So their whole reason for going to Lithuania was running away from the Nazis. And ultimately Lithuania was also destroyed by the Nazis. So aren’t you splitting hairs?Bless the Mir
The town and the region was occupied by the Russians.That’s who they were fleeing originally and that’s how it remain for another more than a year-and-a-half
although the more astute recognized the inherent instability and the need to get out from the ground was burning under their feetThe town and the region was occupied by the Russians.That’s who they were fleeing originally and that’s how it remain for another more than a year-and-a-half
although the more astute recognized the inherent instability and the need to get out from the ground was burning under their feetthe vast majority chose to stay and ride out the storm
( If such a scenario heaven forbid would happen again would probably be repeated today)
Indeed, Mentch & IITFT. Mir was in Poland before WW2. Then in 1939, it was in the Soviet zone of occupation. Yeshiva (and many others both from the Soviet and German zones) fled to Lithuania that remained independent until occupied by Soviets during summer 1940 – and Sugihara continued writing out visas until Soviets forced Japan to recall him.
It is clear from a question posed to R Grozdenski at the time – who should use the visas – that they were afraid of Soviets. The question assumed that senior Rabbis would be immediately killed, while younger ones will lose their children to anti-religious education.
you need to look at the events with the view of people at the time, rather than with hindsight:
1) Perception which plague was more dangerous depended somewhat on the locale and personal history: those who had experience personally, or in a family, with Soviet oppression, or who had property or involved in religious and political activity – were mostly more afraid of Soviets, except those who were involved in communist political activities who were more afraid of Nazis.
2) Experience of WW1 in that area was of awful Russian army and disciplined German one. Read Elie Wiesel, among others – even in 1944 Hungary, many people relied on that history.
3) At the time, Soviets were running murders and labor camps for 20 years. Nazis, up to invasion of Poland, had pretty benign detention camps in their own country from which people were often released…
@Toshema if you going to be factual, it was with the Amishover Rebbe and the Japanses when they in Kobe
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