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May 26, 2017 7:46 am at 7:46 am #1286106LightbriteParticipant
In a TorahAnytime shiur, the rabbi was saying that more people ought to think about the mitzvahs that they can do, and not focus on the mitzvahs that they did for someone who was unappreciative. Focusing on how someone didn’t appreciate your mitzvot and letting that stop you from doing mitzvot ben adam le chavro.
That said, what about someone who you thought you were doing a mitzvah for who ended being abusive to you? Is that still a worthy mitzvah? Is it okay to not do more of certain mitzvot to protect yourself?
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May 26, 2017 9:58 am at 9:58 am #1286199blubluhParticipantIt’s tough to extrapolate a general rule from a specific incident especially when a lot of the background is unknown. Having said that, I think the guiding principal behind the advice given in that shiur is to protect oneself from experiences that can dissuade one from performing such mitzvot down the road, r”l. But, it doesn’t necessarily mean that not receiving emotional reward for one’s efforts diminishes the mitzvah itself in any way. The ultimate reward for performing mitzvot isn’t necessarily doled out in this world.
Also, consider that sometimes the situation isn’t so cut and dry. Perhaps the unappreciative recipient of your kindness didn’t perceive the benefit of your actions.
I remember a comedy skit by Abbott & Costello in which Costello sees a Boy Scout help an elderly woman cross the street and in appreciation the woman gives the young man a coin (big money in those days). Figuring he’d found a way to earn some sorely needed income, he proceeds to drag an elderly woman across the street only to be rewarded with a clop on the head with an umbrella.
May 26, 2017 5:53 pm at 5:53 pm #1286371LightbriteParticipantThat’s funny and makes sense. Thank you.
Hmm I was just wondering if a mitzvah is a mitzvah if the recipient caused harm.
I knew a store owner who had a tzadakah box by his register. And someone ran up and stole it, running away never to be caught.
Technically it was tzadakah. I guess the guy needed it. There were no cameras or anything. I think he called the police, but they could not do much. What if the theif was caught? It was beyond the money. He took the entire box and that had sentimental value. Plus there was trauma by the crime.
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May 28, 2017 3:05 pm at 3:05 pm #1286949oyyoyyoyParticipantIm assuming u mean like chessed when u say mitzva. I dont think youre supposed to allow the person to take advantage of your kindenesss and let them walk all over you and abuse you. Also cud be you cant do a chessed for someone that doesnt appreciate it, (i assume abusing you especially.)
And protecting yourself is important as well. We have to be honest about where we are holding by and not go overboard with our avodah into situations that are too much and over the line, imbalance. Im not sure i know what the deal is with the tzedaka box but sounds weird.
May 28, 2017 4:33 pm at 4:33 pm #1287185👑RebYidd23ParticipantThere is a difference between unappreciative and abusive. Some of the people who need your help the most won’t seem to appreciate it. They may seem to take it for granted because they have always been supported by others. They may be sarcastic out of pure habit. Some people who are hurt lash out of other people. If it’s not actually hurting you, you can help people who need help even if they are not pleasant to be around.
But if their words or actions are doing real damage, you need to take a step back. Protect yourself if the recipient is actually abusive.May 28, 2017 4:40 pm at 4:40 pm #1287288oyyoyyoyParticipantI hear that. Just quoting a maharal (breishis) that says its assur to do a tovah for someone that doesnt recognize it (makir tov). I dont fully know the specifics but i do know he says this. I understand what you say about lots of people receiving chessed arent capable of processing hakaras hatov necessarily
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