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Usually we say that the first is better. For example the Bechor gets certain first rights. The Cohen gets first Aliyah, or first honors for Mezuman. When do we say that the last is better? (A Rav asked me this over Pesach).
The last is protected because it is beloved. ההדיוט קופץ בראש, the smart person hears the other’s view first and makes his view known last. The simple person wants to, because of haughtihess like Haman, be heard first.
Where it’s not a kavod rather a chashivus
coffee addict, doesn’t chashivus require kavod and therefore should come first?
No,
People hide their heirlooms and things they view as precious
The person doesn’t hide something in order to get כבוד
Laskern,
How do you fit your pshat in Rashi in regards to Rachel and Yosef being last
one that comes to mind, is the Rosh brought in Mechaber by netilas yedayim leseudah that the most choshuv should go last
There is a Midrash, when someone is haughty and feels he should come first, we tell him a bug was created before you. If he would be smart, he would understand that because of his chashivus the human being was created last in order that everything should be avaiable for him like a set up table.
ubiquitin, SA O’CH 165,2 last, for having to wait and be mafsiik less time.
coffee addict, Yaakov wanted to protect them from Aisov for his great love for them.
coffee addict, People hide – etc. I don’t know what you are talking about. What does this have to do of being last?
In seder ha’nivro’im (creation) – man was created last – because of chashivus.
Likewise, in zman, shabbos is the last day of the week – because of its chashivus.
Likewise in Olom, Olom Haba comes after Olom Haza, its chashivus makes this world like a foyer to the next world.
In Nation, also Am Yisroel was formed last, after the formation of the 70 Nations, finally, Bnei Yaakov in Mitzrayim formed Am Yisroel.
In Bais Hamidosh, the Second Bayis was “greater” in size and duration than the First Mikdosh, but the Third Bayis will be far grander and with greater chashivus.
In Korbonos, the Korbon Shlomim is listed last (ויקרא ז’, ט”ז – זֹאת הַתּוֹרָה לָעֹלָה לַמִּנְחָה וְלַחַטָּאת וְלָאָשָׁם וְלַמִּלּוּאִים וּלְזֶבַח הַשְּׁלָמִים )
because of its chashivus, that it is never botel in the future (as the Korbon Todah is one of the Shlomim: לעתיד לבוא, כל הקרבנות בטילים וקרבן תודה אינו בטל. כל התפילות בטילות, ההודאה אינה בטילהIn Aliyos, Shivie is usually given the Rov, but Maftir trumps in chashivus.
In Nozir 66b (and Brochos 53b): Answering Amen is greater than the making of Brocha, first the weak ones battle and later the strong ones win the battle. The chashivus of coming later is Amen.
And in Shulchan Oruch the most choviv and choshuv halacha is the last Ramo: “וטוב לב משתה תמיד” Drink and be always happy – don’t be a hateful bitter person. L’CHAIM!!
Usually it is always first except if there is a reason to be last.
Laskern,
Rashi says by Rachel אחרון אחרון חביב Rashi is in לב:ב (the דבור המתחיל is actually with לאה)
“coffee addict, People hide – etc. I don’t know what you are talking about. What does this have to do of being last?“
You were asking about difference between כבוד & חשיב
By kodshim the day comes first then night, because you can accomplish more in this world by doing mitzvos than next world. We have week days first because we suffer first than rest. Similarly, night comes first than day. By the goyim it is the opposite.
coffee addict Rashi is ל’ג ,ב
Laskern,
Sorry, you’re right about the place in Rashi
We finish shamonei esrei with peace הכל הולך אחר החתימה All is well that ends well.
The reason to finish with good is because we remember our last experiences best.
We lead up to the crescendo or climax.
There is a midrash, where Hashem said to Yerohom ben Nevot, repant and I, you, and Dovid will walk together in Gan Eden, so he asked, who will lead? Dovid, he was told. In that case I don’t want. This is another sign of haughtiness.
laskern – “haughtiness”? he held that if he does proper teshuva, bmokom she’baalei teshuva omdim afilu tzaddikim gemurim aynom yecholim la’amod shom, not only does he deserve to lead, but it would demonstrate the koach of doing teshuva m’ahava (that zidonos na’asu lo k’zochiyos).
RG, If he does teshuva meahava what is the difference who leads?
As I wrote: “it would demonstrate the koach of doing teshuva m’ahava (that zidonos na’asu lo k’zochiyos)” – to demonstrate to others (which is a form of kiddush Hashem).
In posting here in the CR, it is normally the LAST posting that has the opportunity to summarize and provide his/her spin to the consensus position on the issue teed up by the FIRST person; however there can only be one FIRST posting and an infinite number of LAST postings (unless the final posting is so definitive and blows away all other possible views that the MODs decide to close the thread).
The mods can close a thread, leaving the last posting as the final say on the topic. (not necessarily the “maskona”, sometimes it’s like walking away from a debate).
RG, as usual, I don’t know what you are talking about. Yerovom said instead of teshuva אי הכי לא בעינא in that case I don’t want it.
No such luck on this thread Dorah!
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