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Dear Friends, As many of you know from my posts, while I had always thought of myself as a Chareidi, I became extremely turned off at a number of issues which I found out are pervasive in the Chareidi world.
But recently I have realized that the internet has become far worse than it ever was. There are very dangerous and addictive sites that have opened which threaten to ruin anybody’s ruchnius. We are literally being drowned in a sea of hefkerus. I now understand some of the motivations of the Chareidim. When a person is drowning, he may yell and scream for a life preserver. He may pull on anything he can grasp to save himself. He may not act rationally in his panic.
If we view many of these behaviors of the Chareidim in this light, they become better understood. Because the dangers of the street are so great, Chareidim may enocurage one to stay in yeshiva and give up everything else even at risk of severe poverty, just to stay away from the lures of the outside. A yeshiva in that sense is a safe haven, not just an institution of higher learning. They refuse to teach their kids English so they will not be able to mix with the outside world and pratically be forced to stay in the insular communities in which they were brought up. While I am not saying I agree with this, at least now I understand it. Unfortunately the dangers are now so real, and any child or parent can slip and be lost for good, that perhaps they feel there is no other choice.
Just a thought on Achdus and trying to understand a viewpoint we may think is very different.
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They refuse to teach their kids English so they will not be able to mix with the outside world and pratically be forced to stay in the insular communities in which they were brought up.
This is the essence of Israeli Charadism.
It has always been so (IMHO).
I’m glad you are starting to see the light. 🙂
Give it some more time, and you’ll come all the way around.
But we need to determine if these actions are having the desired affect or are they just alienating those that they are trying to help.
The Rambam writes that if you live in a corrupt world, then you should go live in a cave to avoid it. Rav Yoel said that a yeshiva is such a cave.
This is why gedolim are called ???? ????. Just as the eyes see danger before the person comes too close to it, so our gedolim see danger before the body of klal yisroel. Not listening to them is like not believing your eyes when they’re warning you of danger ahead.
Pashuteh Yid
Actually, I think a married woman should go out on the street looking good, but not “too good.”
Her looks and best clothing should be reserved for her husband. Does it make any sense that women look great all day and when the husband comes home and sees her for the first time her make up is off and shes in a house coat, robe whatever looking very “plain”…?
The way things are done today is backwards.
Pashiteh Yid-
I agree with your general point. However, I do not agree with the way it was worded
For example: When one is in panic mode, he does extreme and strange things
These are Gedolim we are talking about! Gedolim who are referred to as “einei haedia” because they can see things that we can not! They are focused on the future of klal yisroel. I don’t think it is appropriate to call their actions extreme and strange.
although i am in two worlds one side as a rov and assisting bet din, and the aguna debakle and the other hand in bussiness as a contractor expeditor.
for the above two computers and internet make live a lot easier to the point without it the research etc. which takes minutes to hours would become years to a life time.
from a father point of view i feel we have to be very carefull.
personally i dont believe children and adults ALIKE !! should have internet in private chambers, there is no limit to jetzer Horah but now with out ” busha ” in the privacy of your home.
which makes it lethal to our neshome.
I just bought a computer for my children for school etc.
that computer will be placed in my seforiem stib where everyone goes in all the time, surounded by kedusha hopefully making the computer operator think twice to go to the wrong sites.
Pashute: The proposed domain suffice you reference would be entirely voluntary. All the sites will keep their .com’s as well. There is no proposal otherwise. Thus the opposition to that suffix.
First Amendment (ostensibly).
i myself am being overtaken by the nisyonos of the internet . i wish of a way to stop . 🙁
Bennaishek – PLEASE don’t let this wait! Go to guardyoureyes.com and read what other people like you are doing to help themselves and support each other.
I like the notion that only people with internet, TV, etc. can do aveiros, noone else?!?!!?? Also, how come when the telephone first came out, why didn’t all the gedolim assur it? People are oiver many issurim every second on the phone, eg. L.H.
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