June 7, 2011 12:50 am at 12:50 am #597307ItcheSrulikMember
The Yom Yerushalayim thread was closed before I could mention this, but “ah mol” the lines between our “sects” were not so tightly drawn. Rav Chaim’s son could teach at RIETS (not just the grandson, the son too) and the charedi world could accept a talmid muvhak of Rav Kook as one of the gedolei hador. What happened?
I’m not looking for a rehashing of the same sectarian feuds. I’m looking for some serious analysis. Where did it go wrong, and can we do anything about it?June 7, 2011 5:28 pm at 5:28 pm #775761bptParticipant
I could not allow a thread whose title has the word “achdus” in it to sink to the bottom of the freshness chain.
I think that the party lines are more open, and crossed more frequently than would seem to be the case. Its the “man bites dog” phenom.
When we get along, the media yawns. When we throw darts, there’s a press conference.
Come Wed AM, we will all be saying Naaseh V’nishma as one (regardless of what the dress code in the room is).
Good OP, though!June 7, 2011 9:21 pm at 9:21 pm #775763jewish unityParticipant
As our secular society as advanced, I think the negative components of it have advanced exponentially quickly. As such, I think each sect has become more extreme in their fews, and becoming more resistent to the other. Of course, I don’t think this helps anyone.June 10, 2011 3:57 am at 3:57 am #775764ItcheSrulikMember
bpt: While what you say about the “man bites dog” phenomenon is true, I think the problem is that too many of the people themselves have accepted the picture that “media” creates. Regardless, as you say, Tuesday night I learned with alumni of Torah Vodaath, Yeshiva of Flatbush, Chaim Berlin, and Brooklyn tech. Then at Shacharis I sat between a baal teshuva from Jamaica and a heimishe baal habayis from Brooklyn. It really is the same Torah and the more often we remember it the better.June 10, 2011 4:22 am at 4:22 am #775765charliehallParticipant
The point of the OP is well taken. Not only did Rav Chaim’s son teach at RIETS, while still in Europe he taught at a Mizrachi school. But I still see the Modern Orthodox world acknowledging the Torah of the Charedi world; just last week I heard Rabbi Dov Linzer cite a halachic position of Rav Elyashiv in a shiur.June 10, 2011 4:32 am at 4:32 am #775766KIsh Echad BLev EchadMember
We must realize that Elu v’elu divrei Elokim chaim- there were 12 shvatim with 12 different minhagim, yet as Rav Hirsch ZT”L points out, the walls during krias yam suf were transparent to show that although one shevet had strengths in one area and another shevet in another (i.e Yisachar in Torah, Zevulun in business, Yehuda in strength, etc. etc.), we were all looking after one another and confident that together we would becaome a nation kish echad blev echad….I wish I can be K’Shmo Kein Hu, but I need ALL the Yidden to join me!!!!September 3, 2020 1:38 am at 1:38 am #1898143n0mesorahParticipant
My theory as to what happened is that these sectarian differences all started with great leaders siphoning followers off of the bulk of Yidden. At that point there was little animosity, because it was just a question of to follow the trailblazing leader or not. Eventually the leader and his vision passed on, and his talmidim who were lifelong followers stepped into the leadership role. This makes it likely that the next leader is always more isolated from the bulk than his predecessor. And this lack of exposure at the top, leads to a lack of tolerance.
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