Acharon Shel Pesach / Shabbos / Gebroks
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March 28, 2012 3:07 am at 3:07 am #863178cherrybimParticipant
Those who don’t eat g’brochts also don’t eat in the succah on sh’mini atzeres; so much for your chumras.March 28, 2012 4:47 am at 4:47 am #8631792qwertyParticipant
Why can’t you just dip your matzah into soup to satisfy your gebroks cravings.March 28, 2012 7:27 pm at 7:27 pm #863180
1) Is it bad form for someone who eats gebroks and is a guest at a non gebroks host to dip hid matza in soup?
2) how do gebroks people dip their korech in charoses to mekayaim the 2nd dipping?March 28, 2012 8:08 pm at 8:08 pm #863181
1) will treif up a non-gebrochts keili.March 28, 2012 8:08 pm at 8:08 pm #863182yungerman1Participant
2- ????March 28, 2012 8:13 pm at 8:13 pm #863183
oops i meant 2) how do “non gebroks” people dipping their korech in charoses to mekayaim the 2nd dipping?March 28, 2012 8:15 pm at 8:15 pm #863184
1) will treif up a non-gebrochts keili.
LOLMarch 28, 2012 8:26 pm at 8:26 pm #863185EY MomParticipant
To musser zoger:
I hope your first question was a joke.
To answer your second, there are really two answers. There are two degrees of gebrochts: water and mei peiros. Water is the one everyone avoids, i.e. matzos coming in contact with anything containing or made with water – soup, gefilte fish, jelly, etc. etc. With regard to mei peiros, there are people who do eat matzos with foods made with mei peiros but no water. Charoses is an example of the latter.
With regard to those who refrain from mei peiros as well, the minhag of koreich is obviously stronger.March 28, 2012 8:35 pm at 8:35 pm #863186
No joke. It’ll make the keili gebrochts and unusable for non-gebrochts fellows.March 28, 2012 9:00 pm at 9:00 pm #863187rabbiofberlinParticipant
jungerman1- The “hetter’ of cooking from jom tov to shabbos is based on “ho-il” (pesachim 46B). This means that you can cook on jom tov because you may have “orchim” -guests coming unexpectedly and they want food. so you cook in the antcipation of their arrival. (BTW- this is why many rishonim will say that you cannot cook this just before night because there will be no time for guests to arrive) The idea of eiruv tavshilim is that you started cooking before yom tov and hence you are only concluding your cooking on jom tov. basically ,it is a “hekker”. see Shulchan aruch 527).
toi and Sam2- I like your answers because you may get guests woh eat “gebroks” and they have to have food too.March 28, 2012 11:15 pm at 11:15 pm #863188
Sushe: That’s beyond ridiculous. For that to be true your soup would need to be a Kli Rishon (it’s not). And you would need to assume that the bit of Matzah in your soup is actually Machmitz in the amount of time it will take for you to eat the soup and/or the soup to cool down.March 28, 2012 11:21 pm at 11:21 pm #863189
1) will treif up a non-gebrochts keili.
This is definitely not universal and the language borders on bal-tosif. Tzitz Eliezer in chelek 12 53:2 poskens that one doesn’t have to use separate keilim.March 28, 2012 11:48 pm at 11:48 pm #863190
My gebrochts in-laws cook in special non-gebrochts keilim for us, per psak halacha.March 28, 2012 11:50 pm at 11:50 pm #863191dash™Participant
With regard to mei peiros, there are people who do eat matzos with foods made with mei peiros but no water. Charoses is an example of the latter.
But wine is one of the “7 liquids” so it is more like water than fruit juice.March 28, 2012 11:52 pm at 11:52 pm #863192farrockgrandmaParticipant
So, use plastic bowls and spoons, and crumble some matzo into your soup.
Matza brei is the reward, after Pesach ends, for putting away your Pesach keilim.March 29, 2012 12:00 am at 12:00 am #863193
Cooking in Keilim is different than dipping Matzah into soup. (And it still wouldn’t Treif up your Keilim. The only way it would would be if the Chashash Chimutz was actually legitimate, and in such a case it would be an Assur to cook the Gebrochts in the first place.)March 29, 2012 1:44 am at 1:44 am #863194
EY Mom: That doesn’t make any sense. We are Machmir that Mei Peiros are Machmitz Miyad. Shouldn’t Gebrochts for Mei Peiros be more Machmir than water?
And dipping shouldn’t be a problem even if you don’t eat Gebrochts. Just make sure to eat it immediately. You do have 18 (or more) minutes before any Chashash Chametz even begins to exist.
As an aside, I once met someone who bragged how Machmir he was on Gebrochts. He was worried about the Matzah becoming Chametz in his mouth. (He had a good Sevara, we say that warm water is Machmitz much faster and body temperature is quite warmer than room temperature.) So he ate his Matzah inside a plastic baggie. I slapped my head to my forehead and walked away. (I didn’t explain to him why he wasn’t Yotzei because he used to get violently angry whenever I would tell him why his silly Chumros actually led to more problems than they solved. I think I was Yotzei Tochachah with him until he was willing to hit me.)
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