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    I heard a rumor that Rabbanim are thinking about adding a second Adar this year due to the coronavirus outbreak to give the elderly more time to prepare for Pesach this year. Is there any substance to this rumor? Wouldn’t adding another Adar mess up the calendar that Hillel created? Would we not need a bais din that was greater in number and stature to change the calendar?

    #1842178
    jackk
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    No substance to this rumour at all.

    #1842185
    must_hock
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    It will never happen

    #1842187
    commonsaychel
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    why waste time talking about something that is never going happen anyway,

    #1842203

    someone wrote an article in one of the Israeli papers. That’s why you may have heard there is a rumor. It is IMO not even being discussed.

    #1842209
    charliehall
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    I suggested that ten days ago.

    #1842210
    Yserbius123
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    I’ve heard that this was a thing Israelis were pushing the Rabbinate to do, unaware that the Rabbinate isn’t Sanhedrin and can’t institute a second Adar.

    #1842236
    rational
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    Don’t worry. It was a poorly thought-out idea and it isn’t going to happen. Your arguments are good ones, and the Israeli Supreme Court used those same arguments to torpedo the idea.

    #1842270
    Joseph
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    I’m surprised that any intelligent person would seriously consider or even answer this “idea”.

    #1842356
    Milhouse
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    Some idiot sued the Rabbanut in the Israeli High Court, demanding that the High Court order the Rabbanut to explain why it can’t declare a leap year.

    The plain fact is that Ibur Hashana can ONLY be done by the Sanhedrin, or a beis din authorized by the Sanhedrin. And the only way we get a Sanhedrin back is by Eliyahu coming and giving them smicha. In which case our problems will be solved and we may not need the extra month.

    #1842358
    pro geshmake yidden
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    Sounds like The Longest Pesach
    Where is Shmuel Kunda when we need him most?

    #1842572
    Reb Eliezer
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    This idea is very dangeous. We would eat chametz on Pesach.

    #1842689
    Milhouse
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    This idea is very dangeous. We would eat chametz on Pesach.

    If we added an Adar then it wouldn’t be Pesach. And if the Sanhedrin is reestablished today, maybe it will decide to do just that. But without a sanhedrin we unfortunately just don’t have the authority to do it.

    #1842737
    Reb Eliezer
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    As we don’t have the ability to do it it is Pesach and we would end up eating chametz on Pesach.

    #1842954
    mobico
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    A Dati farmer in Itamar (father of 11) sued the court, which turned down his claim. Among other issues, we would have had to have celebrated Purim again.

    #1843122
    masmid770
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    its probably worth it, i wasn’t yet yozsei parshas para, and some ppl missed zachor. maybe its worth a try.

    #1843095
    WolfishMusings
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    A Dati farmer in Itamar (father of 11) sued the court, which turned down his claim. Among other issues, we would have had to have celebrated Purim again.

    While not necessarily claiming that his suit had merit, I’m not sure why repeating Purim would be a problem. That happened when we had leap years determined on an ad hoc basis instead of on a set calendrical cycle.

    The Wolf

    #1843173
    Joseph
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    Wolf, when Beis Din set the chodesh on a month by month basis rather than the current calendrical cycle, they still knew early enough when it would be a leap year that celebrating Purim during two separate months didn’t happen, as the leap year was declared in the beginning of Adar.

    If I’m not mistaken. (It’s happened.)

    Also remember that Purim only began during the period between the two Beis Hamikdash’s. I mention this since the procedure for declaring leap years changed in that interval.

    #1843297
    Milhouse
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    Joseph, they often didn’t decide whether to make a leap year until late Adar, sometimes as late as the 29th. Once it even happened that they did it on Rosh Chodesh which would have been Nissan, but chazal disapproved of that.

    Mobico, having read the lawsuit I don’t believe the plaintiff is dati.

    Reb Eliezer, I don’t follow your reasoning. You say the idea is dangerous because if they did it we’d eat chometz on pesach. But if they could do it it would be Purim. The problem isn’t that doing it is bad or dangerous, it’s that the people who can do it aren’t available. There was still time for them to reassemble and do it until tonight. Now it’s too late. Even if Moshiach comes tonight (US time) it’s already rosh chodesh Nissan and therefore too late to make it Adar.

    #1843352
    commonsaychel
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    I suggest the farmer sticks to milking his cows and not show off what a am harartz he is. BTW moot point anyway ah frelichen rosh chodesh to all

    #1843372
    Goldilocks
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    Commonsaychel, oh no, I disagree. One must never be afraid to ask questions; that’s how we learn!
    My message to the farmer: Don’t stick to milking the cows! Continue to wonder and ponder ideas. Don’t ever be afraid to ask questions, even those that may expose your ignorance. Remember that those who ask may look like a fool for a short time; those who are afraid to ask remain fools forever.

    #1843377
    ☕️coffee addict
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    Joe,

    The Mishna in Megillah says that they read Megillah in both months if they decided after Purim to make a leap year

    #1843373
    Goldilocks
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    Here’s a question that I have: If, theoretically, Moshiach had come in the past few days and declared a second Adar, would all those who already “benched” Rosh Chodesh Nissan have to “bench” Rosh Chodesh again?

    #1843383
    commonsaychel
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    Goldilock, Let him just come we need the geulah

    #1843397
    Reb Eliezer
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    Purim Katan we don’t say למנצח why? Every 14th Adar had the potential of becoming Purim if they decide not to be beaber we can say זה הקטן גדול יהי-ה which is said by a bris. They read the Megilla and could be meaber afterwards, so they would read the Megilla again next month.

    #1843402
    WolfishMusings
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    Wolf, when Beis Din set the chodesh on a month by month basis…

    Yeah, okay. So I’m wrong for the 16563498665475th time.

    The Wolf

    #1843428
    Reb Eliezer
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    mods, The hebrew above is in reverse? why?

    Looks fine to me

    #1843671
    Milhouse
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    Goldilocks, the farmer (who I do not believe is dati) didn’t ask questions, he asked the supreme court (a body that believes it is the true government of Israel) to ORDER the Rabbanut to declare this a leap year. The Rabbanut of course has no authority to do that even if it wanted to. In addition, I believe that it is completely assur for a Rov to take orders from any government entity on how to pasken.

    #1843672
    Milhouse
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    Goldilocks, when the Sanhedrin is reestablished Rosh Chodesh Benching will be abolished, because we will not know in advance when Rosh Chodesh will be.

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