March 23, 2020 4:30 pm at 4:30 pm #1842162festabachurmibangeladashParticipant
I heard a rumor that Rabbanim are thinking about adding a second Adar this year due to the coronavirus outbreak to give the elderly more time to prepare for Pesach this year. Is there any substance to this rumor? Wouldn’t adding another Adar mess up the calendar that Hillel created? Would we not need a bais din that was greater in number and stature to change the calendar?March 23, 2020 5:55 pm at 5:55 pm #1842178jackkParticipant
No substance to this rumour at all.March 23, 2020 5:55 pm at 5:55 pm #1842185must_hockParticipant
It will never happenMarch 23, 2020 5:55 pm at 5:55 pm #1842187
why waste time talking about something that is never going happen anyway,March 23, 2020 5:56 pm at 5:56 pm #1842203lowerourtuition11210Participant
someone wrote an article in one of the Israeli papers. That’s why you may have heard there is a rumor. It is IMO not even being discussed.March 23, 2020 5:56 pm at 5:56 pm #1842209charliehallParticipant
I suggested that ten days ago.March 23, 2020 5:57 pm at 5:57 pm #1842210Yserbius123Participant
I’ve heard that this was a thing Israelis were pushing the Rabbinate to do, unaware that the Rabbinate isn’t Sanhedrin and can’t institute a second Adar.March 23, 2020 5:57 pm at 5:57 pm #1842236rationalParticipant
Don’t worry. It was a poorly thought-out idea and it isn’t going to happen. Your arguments are good ones, and the Israeli Supreme Court used those same arguments to torpedo the idea.March 23, 2020 6:20 pm at 6:20 pm #1842270JosephParticipant
I’m surprised that any intelligent person would seriously consider or even answer this “idea”.March 24, 2020 2:57 am at 2:57 am #1842356
Some idiot sued the Rabbanut in the Israeli High Court, demanding that the High Court order the Rabbanut to explain why it can’t declare a leap year.
The plain fact is that Ibur Hashana can ONLY be done by the Sanhedrin, or a beis din authorized by the Sanhedrin. And the only way we get a Sanhedrin back is by Eliyahu coming and giving them smicha. In which case our problems will be solved and we may not need the extra month.March 24, 2020 2:57 am at 2:57 am #1842358pro geshmake yiddenParticipant
Sounds like The Longest Pesach
Where is Shmuel Kunda when we need him most?March 24, 2020 2:24 pm at 2:24 pm #1842572
This idea is very dangeous. We would eat chametz on Pesach.March 24, 2020 7:17 pm at 7:17 pm #1842689
This idea is very dangeous. We would eat chametz on Pesach.
If we added an Adar then it wouldn’t be Pesach. And if the Sanhedrin is reestablished today, maybe it will decide to do just that. But without a sanhedrin we unfortunately just don’t have the authority to do it.March 24, 2020 9:42 pm at 9:42 pm #1842737
As we don’t have the ability to do it it is Pesach and we would end up eating chametz on Pesach.March 25, 2020 3:50 pm at 3:50 pm #1842954mobicoParticipant
A Dati farmer in Itamar (father of 11) sued the court, which turned down his claim. Among other issues, we would have had to have celebrated Purim again.March 25, 2020 6:09 pm at 6:09 pm #1843122masmid770Participant
its probably worth it, i wasn’t yet yozsei parshas para, and some ppl missed zachor. maybe its worth a try.March 25, 2020 6:11 pm at 6:11 pm #1843095WolfishMusingsParticipant
A Dati farmer in Itamar (father of 11) sued the court, which turned down his claim. Among other issues, we would have had to have celebrated Purim again.
While not necessarily claiming that his suit had merit, I’m not sure why repeating Purim would be a problem. That happened when we had leap years determined on an ad hoc basis instead of on a set calendrical cycle.
The WolfMarch 26, 2020 12:24 am at 12:24 am #1843173JosephParticipant
Wolf, when Beis Din set the chodesh on a month by month basis rather than the current calendrical cycle, they still knew early enough when it would be a leap year that celebrating Purim during two separate months didn’t happen, as the leap year was declared in the beginning of Adar.
If I’m not mistaken. (It’s happened.)
Also remember that Purim only began during the period between the two Beis Hamikdash’s. I mention this since the procedure for declaring leap years changed in that interval.March 26, 2020 6:14 am at 6:14 am #1843297
Joseph, they often didn’t decide whether to make a leap year until late Adar, sometimes as late as the 29th. Once it even happened that they did it on Rosh Chodesh which would have been Nissan, but chazal disapproved of that.
Mobico, having read the lawsuit I don’t believe the plaintiff is dati.
Reb Eliezer, I don’t follow your reasoning. You say the idea is dangerous because if they did it we’d eat chometz on pesach. But if they could do it it would be Purim. The problem isn’t that doing it is bad or dangerous, it’s that the people who can do it aren’t available. There was still time for them to reassemble and do it until tonight. Now it’s too late. Even if Moshiach comes tonight (US time) it’s already rosh chodesh Nissan and therefore too late to make it Adar.March 26, 2020 8:44 am at 8:44 am #1843352
I suggest the farmer sticks to milking his cows and not show off what a am harartz he is. BTW moot point anyway ah frelichen rosh chodesh to allMarch 26, 2020 10:07 am at 10:07 am #1843372GoldilocksParticipant
Commonsaychel, oh no, I disagree. One must never be afraid to ask questions; that’s how we learn!
My message to the farmer: Don’t stick to milking the cows! Continue to wonder and ponder ideas. Don’t ever be afraid to ask questions, even those that may expose your ignorance. Remember that those who ask may look like a fool for a short time; those who are afraid to ask remain fools forever.March 26, 2020 10:15 am at 10:15 am #1843377☕️coffee addictParticipant
The Mishna in Megillah says that they read Megillah in both months if they decided after Purim to make a leap yearMarch 26, 2020 10:16 am at 10:16 am #1843373GoldilocksParticipant
Here’s a question that I have: If, theoretically, Moshiach had come in the past few days and declared a second Adar, would all those who already “benched” Rosh Chodesh Nissan have to “bench” Rosh Chodesh again?March 26, 2020 10:31 am at 10:31 am #1843383
Goldilock, Let him just come we need the geulahMarch 26, 2020 11:32 am at 11:32 am #1843397
Purim Katan we don’t say למנצח why? Every 14th Adar had the potential of becoming Purim if they decide not to be beaber we can say זה הקטן גדול יהי-ה which is said by a bris. They read the Megilla and could be meaber afterwards, so they would read the Megilla again next month.March 26, 2020 12:07 pm at 12:07 pm #1843402WolfishMusingsParticipant
Wolf, when Beis Din set the chodesh on a month by month basis…
Yeah, okay. So I’m wrong for the 16563498665475th time.
The WolfMarch 26, 2020 1:48 pm at 1:48 pm #1843428
mods, The hebrew above is in reverse? why?
Looks fine to meMarch 27, 2020 7:59 am at 7:59 am #1843671
Goldilocks, the farmer (who I do not believe is dati) didn’t ask questions, he asked the supreme court (a body that believes it is the true government of Israel) to ORDER the Rabbanut to declare this a leap year. The Rabbanut of course has no authority to do that even if it wanted to. In addition, I believe that it is completely assur for a Rov to take orders from any government entity on how to pasken.March 27, 2020 8:00 am at 8:00 am #1843672
Goldilocks, when the Sanhedrin is reestablished Rosh Chodesh Benching will be abolished, because we will not know in advance when Rosh Chodesh will be.
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