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  • #2206808
    farfetchedpshat
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    Aren’t advertisements assur to read on Shabbos? (Don’t believe it? See The Shabbos Home p. 53)
    If so, why are so-called frum publications actively encouraging it? You can easily think of names.

    They’re being sold before Shabbos every week, and I’ll bet you 90% of times these magazines are being read, it’s on Shabbos. And no doubt they’re very aware of this fact.
    Often times, ads are even Shabbos- or YT-themed (food, etc.)

    If CDs used to have a message “Don’t play on Shabbos” which is more obvious, then at the very least, there should be a warning on the front of Jewish magazines/newspapers “Advertisements are prohibited to read on Shabbos.”

    Perhaps, to be melamed zchus, if they’re read simply as a fun pastime, it’s okay? If anyone has a source that says it’s muttar, let me know.

    Sorry to be that kanoi.

    #2206888
    yungermanS
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    The people reading the magazines are not focused on the ads. They bought the magazine to read the articles and news that comes with it. The ads are simply skipped over and hardly even noticed.

    Versus there are some books that come in the mail completely full of JUST ADS with nothing else inside of reading or even recipes etc… These books are completely forbidden to read on shabbos and you can even ask your LOR

    #2206891
    ujm
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    The so-called frum publications (as you correctly put it) do a lot worse than just place advertisements that will obviously be ready on Shabbos.

    #2206921
    anonymous Jew
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    Farfetched, why do you think the papers are distributed at no cost? Because of the advertising. Noone is forcing you to read the papers on Shabbos.

    #2207002
    commonsaychel
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    “It鈥檚 lashon hara to share anything negative about anyone else. There鈥檚 also a general mitzvah to be happy and to stay positive and to not be negative, and also to be in control of all other negative emotions. So, ideally, how is a Jew supposed to express their negative feelings in a healthy way? Are we supposed to just let all anger, sadness, depression, all pent up? Or must everyone hire their own therapist? Seems abnormal to me; like there鈥檚 no room to exist in Judaism, to be human. The world has its problems but at least out there, people can freely discuss issues without the shame and taboo that exists in frum circles.”

    #2207028
    Menachem Shmei
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    Why is the issue only with reading advertisements? According to Shulchan Aruch (住讬’ 砖讝 住讬”讘 讜讗讬诇讱), it is forbidden to read any unholy content on Shabbos, as a gezeira lest one read 砖讟专讜转 on Shabbos.

    It is even prohibited to read a menu that one prepared for the meal. It is forbidden to read letters of greetings. It is forbidden to read a caption on a picture. It is forbidden to read secular books of parables or war stories.

    The Shulchan Aruch clarifies that this issur is BESIDES for the general issue of bittul Torah and reading secular matters.

    The Shulchan Aruch Harav (as well as Mishna Berura, etc.) writes that reading 讬讜住讬驻讜谉 and the like (Jewish history) is permissible on Shabbos since it contains inspiration in Yiddishkeit.

    Accordingly, it would seem permissible to read the articles with Jewish content or Jewish news, since they contain some level of inspiration.

    However, the articles about national politics or historical info about wars, etc. seems to be completely forbidden on Shabbos.
    This issur would seem to include most Zman articles, as well as much of Ami magazine, etc.

    #2207058
    AviraDeArah
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    Menachem, many teshuvos have been written about reading news on Shabbos. Some say it’s necessary for safety purposes, but this would seem not to apply in our time.

    Reading analysis of current events might… And this is a stretch… Be considered chochma, which is permitted to be read on Shabbos. But definitely the business articles are assur.

    Thank you for mentioning captions; that’s something lots of people don’t know about – it’s very, very common in books and magazines that people read on Shabbos.

    Im not clear if it applies to, say, pictures of gedolim in biographies. I think some allow it, but I don’t remember clearly.

    #2207065
    Yserbius123
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    @MenachemShmei I would argue that Ami should be assur to read during the week too…

    #2207116
    ujm
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    Yseribus: Welcome to the club. Add Mishpacha and the FJJ to the list.

    #2207146
    Menachem Shmei
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    >>>I would argue that Ami should be assur to read during the week too鈥

    The Shulchan Aruch mentions that in general people shouldn’t read these thing because of wasting time, etc.
    However, someone could always claim that they need it for relaxing, etc.

    However, on Shabbos there is an added issur which might be harder to find a heter for.

    >>>Thank you for mentioning captions

    I’ve often heard people say that if reading magazines on Shabbos, don’t read the picture captions.
    I find this hard to understand. The Shulchan Aruch seems to be saying that even captions shouldn’t be read. What would be the difference between captions and articles?

    #2207260
    AviraDeArah
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    Menachem, two things:

    Shu”a (OC 307:15) doesn’t say that reading novels, stam secular books(not chochma) is a waste of time – rather it’s a violation of moshav leitzim and al tifnu, potentially assur medeoraysoh. The mishnah berurah hrings rashi who says that al tifnu means do not go after that which you do on your own, without serving Hashem.

    Captions are based on a gemara which says not to read the words underneath figures…i forgot the reasom, might be because tou might come to writing.

    But the poskim say exactly that, that you may not read captions on pictures based on that gemara; it’s in every shabbos halacha sefer; not a machlokes about it as far as i know.

    Reading the articles is an entirely different question. There was a special gezerah on captions…reading literature depends on what’s being read.

    #2207322
    farfetchedpshat
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    @commonsaychel “In 10 days from now Donald J Trump will be as relevant as James Earl Carter, why is everyone so worked up?”

    #2207319
    farfetchedpshat
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    @yungermans If you ask someone why they bought the magazine, I agree. But when they’re actually reading, I find that assumption somewhat naive. But if it were true and ads are ignored, then ein hacha nami.


    @anonymous-jew
    It would be silly to complain about how something affects me over which I have control. My intention is obviously to point out that these publications are causing others to sin. Just because that’s what makes them money, doesn’t mean it’s proper to do.

    #2207355
    Gadolhadorah
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    Printing out all the CR posts erev shabbos to read on shabbos without the banner ads on the right side of the page would raise the issue of genavah since those ads provide the revenues to pay the Mods

    #2207388
    Menachem Shmei
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    >>>Reading the articles is an entirely different question. There was a special gezerah on captions鈥

    I am not learned in this sugya, but from the simple reading of the shulchan aruch and Mishna Berura (which bring the issur of captions) it seems that both are the same gezeira – 诪砖讜诐 砖讟专讬 讛讚讬讜讟讜转

    The same applies to reading ANYTHING (including lists of names etc.) aside from Torah and musar (which includes Yosifun).

    #2207399
    commonsaychel
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    @farfetched
    To try answering the first question, maybe people realize that sometimes giving attention to those who crave it may create a pattern of emotional dependency where they keep coming back to you for more in desperation. Like that friend that always makes the joke and immediately looks at you to see your reaction. Not everyone enjoys that.

    #2207450
    AviraDeArah
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    Menachem, shu”a saya what ylu originally said, that stam secular materials are assur because of al tifnu and moshav leitzim; shtarei hedyotos are because of kesiva, which is a shabbos specific gezerah, and captions are(apparently, i jad forgotten about the reason) included in that.

    But news articles aren’t shtarei hedyotos…

    #2207448
    takahmamash
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    Is reading YWN on Shabbos assur? What about if you read the content, but skip the ads? Is there a heter for reading in the CR?

    #2207497
    anonymous Jew
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    But logging onto and reading YWN ( yes, I know not on Shabbos ) is not moshav laitzim and bitul Torah?

    #2207522
    commonsaychel
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    @annonyomus jew, an interesting comment from someone who posted over 560 times

    #2207607
    anonymous Jew
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    Commonsaychel, I have no problem reading those publications. My comment was regarding those assuring everything but posting here.

    #2207619
    Shopping613 馃尃
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    Comics are also questionable if they can be read on shabbos. These magazines are entertainment.

    I thought this thread was going to be about some of the recent. Horrible ads

    #2207636
    ujm
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    Shopping613: What were the recent horrible ads?

    #2207739
    Label Scheneckity
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    I once read a menu on shabbos and I was chozer b’teshuva

    #2209351
    Shopping613 馃尃
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    @ujm

    Just really badly written ads with a questionable person behind them in the Ami.

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