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  • #1683706

    writer
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    Enough is enough. It’s time to address and fight this. What is going on with all these apps, sites,companies, Google,Facebook, WhatsApp and so on collecting every bit of information on everyone and just saving it all! It seems that a new gadget comes out from Amazon and Google every so often where they have new ways of spying on us and collecting our info. The reason that all these Google home and Amazon echo things are so cheap is because people are actually doing these companies a favor by getting these products. Smart TV’s are recording private conversations, smartphones recording audio and video taking pictures, collecting data and locations, Facebook knows everything about everyone. This is outrageous. It’s scary to think how much info they have saved on each and every one of us and what they can do with it in the future. And the worst part is that it’s too late. The government has this info and so do these “companies”. I know there isn’t much to do even if you disconnect from all and start living like a caveman, which won’t help because the info is already in their hands, but shouldn’t this seriously worry us? I mean this isn’t even a myth anymore. Reputable websites report this and breakdown all the info that these empires have on us. And it’s only getting worse.

    #1684026

    writer
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    so noone is bothered by this. ok. maybe the title isnt provocative enough or maybe people just cant face these facts.

    #1684527

    No! No one is bothered by this.
    But you know what really grinds my nerves? When people don’t vaccinate their kids and cause theirs and other kids to get sick! Don’t they care about their lives! How about Venishmartem me’od lenafshoseichem!?

    #1684584

    writer
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    This name is aready taken by a nutcase

    #1684601

    writer
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    im just kidding nametaken. But you changing up my topic

    #1684622

    Sam Klein
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    Let this be a reminder and lesson that Hashem has YOU watched and recorded 24-7 and YOU will watch a recorded video of your ENTIRE LIFE every move you made and every act you did and have to give justice for the decisions you YOURSELF made in your life with the gift of Free-will that Hashem has blessed you with.

    Don’t say that you were not warned

    #1684949

    Mammele
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    And why does YWN have to test my math skills? Now they know, besides for my profile info, how well I can add. And that I’m supposedly human. Ha, I tricked those nosy robots…

    Seriously though, the last couple of years, airliners have installed cameras in some of their entertainment systems, and no one complained till now. And likely nothing will change because the entertainment companies did it on their own, and supposedly it’s not actually recording.

    The real issue is that with all the simultaneous threats, the little man doesn’t have too many options, or the time, inclination and know-how to keep himself secure. So we just give up.

    Similarly, the privacy notices from companies were supposed to help keep our marketing data private, yet most people get inundated with these cards, and opt to simply trash it. So it’s just more regulation with zero benefit and more pollution.

    #1685006

    writer
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    Sam that doesn’t mean you want the whole world to record and save every one of your movements as well.

    #1685113

    Yserbius123
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    I’m bothered by it. But I recognize that there’s little I can do. So I try my best. Most of my browsing is on incognito mode. I don’t use my real name on any social media. I buy from a variety of online and brick+mortar retailers. I never use store credit cards.

    Basically, as long as you’re happy living like it’s 1998, you have nothing to worry about.

    #1685144

    Little Froggie
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    Are you aware the the CR is laden with microscopic bugs, microphones and cameras? <<NOT TRUE>> They can figure out anything about you they wish, they have tiny cameras on this site, peeking at you. <<NO WE DON’T>> They may deny it… in fact I’m sure they’ll deny it… I have you warned. Don’t ever post in pajamas!!!<<GOTCHA!!!>>

    #1685150

    writer
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    Yserbius12- ”

    I’m bothered by it. But I recognize that there’s little I can do. So I try my best. Most of my browsing is on incognito mode. I don’t use my real name on any social media. I buy from a variety of online and brick+mortar retailers. I never use store credit cards.
    Basically, as long as you’re happy living like it’s 1998, you have nothing to worry about.”

    Ya so heres the thing my friend. Incognito mode and the like actually attracts more attention than using the regular browsing mode. Its sure to put you on a surveillance list. And even all these private browsing methods and settings such as ” do not send feedback” usually are useless as google and facebook have been caught still collecting private info no matter what.

    You dont use your real name on social media? Great going except for the fact that im sure you have photos, friends, and conversations where people either tag you in a photo using your real name, or much more than your name gets collected in various chats,posts,pictures,videos,voice messages and so on. Just because you forget about the conversation the moment its over, doesnt mean these data mining companies do. They see everything, they know everything, and they keep everything. You would certainly be shocked if you saw even 2 days worth of your history and how revealing each bit of information is about you.

    If you buy things from stores im hoping your using cash because otherwise I dont see a difference than buying online. Aside for companies selling your info and habits, they use internet as well. So even if they did want to guard your info they cant since they get hacked just as Chase did several years ago with many accounts private info compromised.

    Nothing to worry about if you live like in 1998? As long as you have a smartphone or computer your whole life is being recorded, data wise, audio,video, contacts, family, passwords, habits,lifestlye,work,LOCATION, private conversations etc. the list goes on and on and gets more chilling. Even if you didnt own any of these if you are ever around them theres no escape. It gets pretty obvious when every other day google releases some other product with an embedded camera or microphone which they “forgot” to mention is included in the product.

    Long ago people would criticize someone as being a tin foiled hat lunatic, but unfortuantely it is reality. You can check reputable tech sites,CNET etc. Just look at the app permissions which are so irrelevant to the app functionality.The thing is that even if you abandon all these gadgets, the damage is done, its too late. And since its part of our daily use, companies are getting smarter and smarter collecting data with new methods of spying and it all gets saved forever. Im surprised there isnt more uproar about our privacy but people either know they cant do anything or just dont care. A great excuse is “well I dont do anything to make me worried”. Oh really? Do you close the door when you enter the bathroom? Why? You are doing nothing wrong. Well the point is that people want and NEED privacy and anything can be used against you and Im sure people would be shocked how apps and companies and government are recording the most private of conversations in the safety of their own homes. Ever used your phone in the bathroom? Well closing the door wont keep them out anymore. You are never alone. And it only gets worse.

    #1685161

    writer
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    Little Froggie, you’re so funny. You are so clever and much smarter than everyone. Its far from myth that apps, facebook and everything google collect private data and info on everyone they even “warn” you when requiring permissions which have nothing to do with the app functionality. Just do a quick google search you might learn a thing or two.

    #1685174

    👑RebYidd23
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    You can’t live like it’s 1998 because the 1998 world isn’t available to live in.

    #1685186

    writer
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    RebYid- strong point and one of the main reasons as to why this is pretty much unavoidable. Something isn’t right though. People have to trade in their private lives simply because the world evolved into an era where this is how things work and you must be reliant on these things.

    #1685631

    Little Froggie
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    Writer: From the fact that you address me here, using my screen name, I surmise that despite the fact that Iv’e been around here for about eight years already, no one here besides a few individuals gained access to my personal information. Neither my birthday. Not even my SS#!

    I have a niggling feeling that the world out there is not so interested in me. Actually I did a google search of my name (real one, the one you DON’T KNOW) and NOTHING showed up!! No, I’m not a ‘macher’ and don’t try to be. So I’m not such a “household name”. At all. Also, I’m sensible, I post and publish what’s sensible, what I feel is safe, and keep the rest to myself. I’m not really sure the world out there needs to know what and how much I ate for supper last night (or EVERY NIGHT), who my friends are, or what my gory hobbies are.

    There’s a slight difference between being cautious and paranoid. <<HEY SHIMON, YOUR FACE LOOKS…>>

    #1685808

    Mammele
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    LF: perhaps you’re right that the world insn’t so interested in you, but hypothetically if someone wants to blackmail someone for whatever reason, the more info they can find on said someone the more ammunition they can potentially have.

    There was this Israeli/Russian recently in the Heimishe news that claimed he was a long lost relative to Frum families by simply googling genealogy websites etc. and knowing too much relevant info so it seemed plausible. (In the latest instance, he was supposedly the son of someone who died in the Holocaust, but he claimed the person was his father and survived.) Luckily, he only did it for emotional reasons, but such people can turn dangerous if let into homes etc.

    Since the advent of the Simcha websites it’s almost impossible for today’s young couples to not have a “public face” for posterity, and most don’t want it.

    Additionally, you claim to be a “shtikel” musician. There are likely multiple videos of you on line, which can be used with facial recognition software to find you elsewhere.

    So we can’t hide, the world is more creepy than we realize, but it’s simpler to just block it out and pretend we’re not at risk. Hopefully the chances are low, so nothing bad will happen to any of us, but it doesn’t negate this fact.

    #1685860

    writer
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    Mamelle-“Additionally, you claim to be a “shtikel” musician. There are likely multiple videos of you on line, which can be used with facial recognition software to find you elsewhere”

    Not just that, there’s a new AI technology in development which can use a person’s voice and make them say anything they want even in video. They did this with Obama and made a video of him saying whatever they want. You can check it on YouTube. Just imagine the potential disasters that can create.

    #1685862

    Gadolhadorah
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    Several of the postings above correctly note the tension between maintaining anonymity and privacy while taking advantage of the convenience and access to information provided by the internet. Unless you want to live in a cave and engage in barter transactions its impossible to avoid some confidential data leakage to the internet but there are numerous ways (some noted above) to minimize your risks.

    #1685864

    writer
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    @LF- “There’s a slight difference between being cautious and paranoid. <<HEY SHIMON, YOUR FACE LOOKS…>>”

    I’m not sure what you meant by that last part. But regarding paranoid and cautious, there is no paranoid it’s reality. In fact people aren’t paranoid enough since it’s such worse than people think

    #1685901

    writer
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    Gadol if you read my posts you’ll see there is really no way to avoid it. Simply owning a smartphone or having a PC connected to the internet leaves you not only at risk of being hacked, but rather having every single thing you do throughout the day recorded and stored. Your location, interactions, data, pretty much every move you make. Apps/companies are constantly taking pictures of you, video, and also recording audio even when you aren’t using your phone. And If you think im making it up, next time you download an app look at the permissions it requires and it clearly says can record video, take pictures and record audio at any given moment. And trust me they keep their word.

    #1685884

    Little Froggie
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    OISH… (and gosh too!!)

    That last line was supposed to be a joke (OH! + duh!). Like something of a MOD coming out and saying that he/she actually sees me, sees my face. (and knows my name is Shimon!) How I love dissecting jokes..

    And now to that line about me being a shikel (piece) of a musician…
    Actually I am. Right. Just a piece. And no.. while a lot of people have heard me… no such pictures circulate on the web with my name associated. Nobody is actually interested in snooping my out of “hiding”. בתוך עמי אנכי יושבת. Nothing big or interesting,,, At all.

    I may have dropped HERE some hints of drops of specifics… still my anonymousity remains to this day (and a thank you to the mods for keeping it that way).

    So I actually don’t care if google records how many times I buy from Walmart. Or which brand tissues I prefer. I recently checked the tissue boxes thru and thru – no hidden devices, electronical chemical or biological included. Same with all my Walmart purchases. I sent all the stuff thru a body scanner, a magnetic scanner, an x-ray scanner. They all return negative, so my stuff is still (as of now) safe from bugs, transmitters, mics and cameras.

    #1686130

    writer
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    Froggie it’s a shame how much in denial you are. Or just very naive to the reality like most people are for now until they realize just how much private information everyone has on them.

    #1686169

    Mammele
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    LF: you seemingly missed the part about new entertainment systems on airplanes fitted with cameras that can record you during your flight. And I believe you travel on airplanes. The airliners claim not to have recorded with it yet, and that they didn’t request its installation. But it’s still there, and likely hackable. And guess what, the airlines have your name and identification.

    Additionally, even if your musical hobby is low key, it just takes one person to identify you on a video clip or photo, and then potentially link it to other footage out there. Again, hopefully no one is interested in you, but criminals can and do pick on random people. A good example of random targeting is identity theft, which is really pervasive.

    I once googled a sheitel macher I was considering as I needed her telephone number. Instead I got the Simcha site photo of her and her husband. It sort of shook me up. This is the world our kids are getting NOW, even if we ourselves may have missed this specific boat.

    (B”H we managed to avoid this with our married kids so far. But it took effort to almost ban cell phone photos – we were the exceptions – at their engagements. And other family members that couldn’t attend weren’t exactly happy about it. We only forwarded photos to close family we had to and REALLY trusted. But even with all our efforts, there were really no guarantees.)

    #1686259

    Gadolhadorah
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    Writer….you grossly overstate the reality. Obviously, any connectivity to the internet poses risk but there equally are ways in which a smartphone user can mitigate (although not eliminate) some of those risks. There are lots of resources available explaining how to operate more securely and restricting the ability of various apps and websites to monitor your movements, activities and share data you don’t want to share. If many choose not to avail themselves of those tools, then its their problem and they should be prepared for the consequences of their passivity and foolishness.

    #1686551

    Little Froggie
    Participant

    Mammele: Actually when I walk in the streets people look (peer, peek, snoop) at me. There’s really no need to take (r”l) a picture of me! And even if I’d be sitting in an airplane (not in the cockpit), people all around will (again, heaven forfend) look (stare, peer, peek or even snoop) at me. So an additional camera peek should be no worse. As long as something’s not invading my privacy, why should I, or anyone else, care. Anything in the public I should suppose is, um, public. No?

    Ye, there’s a wealth of information out there. The World Wide Web IS world wide, encompassing much. Entering someone’s name, phone number or email address can get you limited info or even a picture. You know what? A massive phone book can do the same!!!

    And Writer: <<ATTEMPTING TO BUZZ WRITER ON SECRET DEVICE>> If you did not feel a buzzing sensation from your floor, it’s an indication that YW has as yet NOT been able to infiltrate your home… You may continue breathing for the unforeseeable future <<DON’T LOOK AT YOUR CEILING… CHEESE!>>

    #1687765

    writer
    Participant

    Don’t you just love it when you take the time to write something well though out, responding to everyone, keeping it on point and clean, and the mods simply delete your comment? Great going mods does it make you feel like a better person? Yes you are so powerful picking and choosing.

    are you crazy?

    #1687834

    writer
    Participant

    Crazy how? I wrote a piece responding to gadol and froggie and it was never published. So I’m the crazy one. Not crazy, just frustrating when someone writes something and it simply gets deleted. Thanks for the kind words though. Shows a lot about your middos.

    speaking of middos, it’s possible the mod who deleted didn’t like your own unkind words. {shrugs}

    #1687840

    Little Froggie
    Participant

    I suppose that last question was directed to me.

    And the answer is (surprise, surprise!) NO. I recently check my head out (and in). All systems go. And I’ve got a Certificate of Normalcy (valid for 1 day) to prove that.

    Have no fear Shimon, it wasn’t directed at you, it was a mod

    #1687909

    Little Froggie
    Participant

    Hey, how’d you find out my name? I sanitized, disinfected, sterilized and decontaminated my Coffee Room Response Lab. All bugs, cameras, mics, transmitters, and microscopic spying and snooping apparatus should have been zapped useless.

    ps you can be sure I knew who it was directed to. It was a meek attempt at humor.

    #1687941

    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    A frog was on once a tadpole and ultimately will be a prince (or princess for lady frogs). Chazal bring down that reptilian royalty is immune to all the various types of data theft, hacking, and privacy concerns that affect poishete yidden.

    #1687957

    BaltimoreMaven
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    Everything is on the Internet. Even things like yearbooks or newspapers which were printed before the Internet was invented. Poland, Romania and other countries are putting their archives online. court records are online. That means if someone has been arrested or convicted, that information is online. Forever. So it is foolish for anyone to claim that they are impervious.

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