November 1, 2020 8:33 pm at 8:33 pm #1915565awarenessvaadParticipant
How can one vote for the President?
Take a look at some of the statements he has made concerning the virus
· “Not to fear the disease”
· “It’s patriotic to wear a mask”
· “We have it totally under control”
· “USA in great shape!”
· “It’s going to be just fine.”
· “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”
· “We’re going very substantially down, not up.”
· “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it [the numbers] down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”
· “99 percent of [cases] are totally harmless”
· “the containment of the virus is close to airtight” “will likely have a therapeutic and/or vaccine solution long before the end of the year”.
· Ridiculing masks and mask-wearing
· “That the virus might disappear through a miracle.”
· “This is like a flu.”
· Not acknowledging what Dr Fauci said that “the United States is actually going in the wrong direction
· “They recommend it [wearing a mask] I just don’t want to wear one myself.”
· “I don’t take responsibility at all,”
· Claiming it will end at around 60,000 [deaths]
· Musing whether disinfectant and sunlight should be injected into the body to treat coronavirus.
All this demonstrates that he has downplayed the seriousness of the virus.
Isn’t this putting people’s life at risk?
Doesn’t common sense dictate that preservation of life precedes any other consideration whatever it maybe (benefits for Israel, the economy etc.)?
Doesn’t the Jewish law dictate that preservation of life precedes any other consideration whatever it maybe (benefits for Israel, the economy etc.)?
Yes we need to take into account the effect the restrictions have on the economy. We need to balance between saving lives and saving the economy. But first we need to accept the seriousness of the virus. One must never downplay the seriousness of the virus and then act accordingly. That’s not preserving life.
How can one vote for him? Isn’t it against the halocho?
One may not want to vote for the other candidate. Ok. So then doesn’t the halocho dictate that one doesn’t vote at all?November 1, 2020 9:12 pm at 9:12 pm #1915829yaakov doeParticipant
What happened with the much hyped National Trump Day on Sunday November 1st? No media coverage at all that I’m aware of.November 1, 2020 9:33 pm at 9:33 pm #1915852GadolhadorahParticipant
Yaakov Doe: Are you referring to a bunch of rednecks in pickup trucks with a few misguided yidden in minivans flying Trump 2020 flags trying to block traffic on the Tappan Zee (aka Cuomo) Bridge and GS Pkway??? There were a few news stories tonight mocking these feeble attempts at Trump Rallies.November 2, 2020 7:14 am at 7:14 am #1915871torahvaluesoverpartyParticipant
Firstly, considering that 100% of known rabbanim that have given endorsements have endorsed Trump, id assume that not only is it not against halacha to vote trump, if anything, one should vote Trump. You utilize the tactic of GASLIGHTING to twist facts and create your own fake narrative that trump hasn’t always followed the experts, and taken early proactive measures to combat the virus. Just so happens that fauci himself disagrees with you. The only time trump has made fun of mask wearing is instances where mask wearing should have been made fun of. Such as Joe Biden wearing a mask outdoors with no one within 50 feet of him. Completely anti-science, and completely politically motivated. So while in February trump made comments aimed at reducing fear, he actually took protective measures such as the China travel ban-which Biden called him racist and xenophobic for! Who remembers Pelosi inviting everyone to come to China town? Who remembers all of the media saying it wasn’t more than the flu? And oh how hypocritical and ironic is it for you to be blaming trump when it was the left wing media that has helped suppress the life saving treatment-hydroxychloroquine -which Dr Harvey Risch has said (a couple months ago when the death toll was much lower) “could have saved 100,000 lives”. Perhaps you could indeed blame trump for all of this. He should have predicted the media’s reaction to him informing the country of the potentially life saving hydroxychloroquine -and he should have come out trashing the drug. Only then would the media have given it proper honest coverage. Who knows how many lives could have been saved had he done that. So yea, in that regard, trumps a failure. The rest of your post is meaningless baseless TDS fueled hatred. The average frum jew is able to see past the fake news spewed out of the mainstream media, and maybe that’s why, according to a recent ami poll, 85% of frum Jews will be voting trump. All of this is why one shouldn’t not vote for trump based on the virus. I didn’t even get to why one should stay FAR away from the left(blm, antifa, riots, liberalism, socialism, anti religion, anti america, anti israel, pro killing unborn babies…………………..) But we’ll save that for another post……November 2, 2020 12:00 pm at 12:00 pm #1916015catch yourselfParticipant
Politics as usual in America.
People talking right past each other, ignoring the basic fact that there is a legitimate debate to be had about the candidates.
But let’s not vilify each other or impune each other’s character or Torah observance because of something so unimportant as our political affiliation or voting intentions.November 2, 2020 12:37 pm at 12:37 pm #1916054Slimshim1Participant
It’s ironic how these current parshiyos are about this red man who was void of every positive attribute except for Kibud Av. He tried to look like a tzaadik, and according to many seforim fooled Yitzchok. In truth he was entirely self serving and steeped in gashmiyus. He became the one who bore amalek and haman and quite possibly the nazi’s and white supremicists.
Well my friends. Sound familiar? There is a message for us. Trump is the Esav. We are supposed to be the Yaakov that can see past this, but it appears that we (and gedolim) are blind and being fooled yibadel like he fooled Yitzchak.
The only difference I can see is that this evil man is orange, not red.November 2, 2020 1:47 pm at 1:47 pm #1916061catch yourselfParticipant
Sorry for the typo
“impugn”November 3, 2020 9:41 am at 9:41 am #1916317Reb EliezerParticipant
Trump advocating the stupid idea of herd immunity which will end up killing an enormous amount of more people, should not be followed as this violates the Torah, where pikuach nefesh supersedes everything, violates the prohibition of lo saamod al dam reacha and we should therefore not vote for him.November 3, 2020 9:54 am at 9:54 am #1916349torahvaluesoverpartyParticipant
Firstly trump never advocated for here immunity. It’s an issur in the Torah to lie and you just did. Secondly, with all the spikes occurring around the world to countries that have previously been shut down, perhaps herd immunity is not avoidable. It can only be delayed. Maybe that explains sweden. But leave it up to you dems to gaslight the issue to create your own anti trump TDS argument.November 3, 2020 11:17 am at 11:17 am #1916358Reb EliezerParticipant
His advisor is Scot Atlas who pushes herd immunity. He wants to fire Fauci who disagrees with it. He has not shown by any means how sadly and badly he feels for over 230,000 deaths. He has the rallies without any protection. My friend around my age just passed away from COVID so I am not in the mood to discuss this.November 4, 2020 1:55 am at 1:55 am #1916664ywnjudyParticipant
I think many rabbi’s might quote “Lev melachim v’sarim b’yad Hashem”. So accordingly, Trump was only a puppet, and Hashem was the one who enabled Covid to spread around. In fact, Rabbi Mendel Kessin opined that perhaps Covid was enabled in order to substitute for a worse gezera. These were his approximate words, NOT his exact words. The accurate version is on the torahthinking site.
As for Trump’s lack of conspicuous tear-gushing, has it occurred to you that perhaps he just doesn’t have it in him? Many males are uncomfortable showing emotions or being demonstrative. So he would feel phony (or shall i say “fake”?) to do so publicly.
Alternatively, perhaps he strongly feels that a display of emotion would cause liberals to think he’s an easy pushover.
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