November 6, 2018 11:29 am at 11:29 am #1618142
Why didn’t they use this opportunity to remind us which party had the embassy move to Jerusalem, recognized Jerusalem as the Capitol if Israel, still runs pro-life candidates, reduced our taxes, boosted our economy, deported a Nazi, and has pushed back against our enemies? Is it because they are on thr side of deblasio and Cuomo, the same people who are aligned with everything against Jewish values?November 6, 2018 12:07 pm at 12:07 pm #1618164JosephParticipant
I think they’re restricted by law from making endorsements.November 6, 2018 12:07 pm at 12:07 pm #1618175
They are not allowed to show sides by law.November 6, 2018 12:13 pm at 12:13 pm #1618184steve10177Participant
As a 501 c 3 the agudah can not actively endorse any candidate. But if you follow What s going on you know who to vote for.November 6, 2018 12:13 pm at 12:13 pm #1618186apushatayidParticipant
they are not allowed to. if you need help. ask your rav.November 6, 2018 12:17 pm at 12:17 pm #1618187
That doesn’t seem to stop liberal Jewish non-for profit groups, from endorsing their ideas. They should at least inform the klal which party has better values.November 6, 2018 12:41 pm at 12:41 pm #1618195JosephParticipantNovember 6, 2018 12:56 pm at 12:56 pm #1618177akupermaParticipant
In America, Agudah is a communal organization serving the best itnerests of the frum community, unlike in Eretz Yisrael where it has degenerated into a political party focused on gaining patronage and favorable actions for their members. They wisely avoid partisan matters. One should note that unlike the secular “Jews” who have totally cast their lot with one party, frum Jews are involved with both parties and attempt to work with whomever manages to win the elections. Which party an individual favors is up to the individual. You seriously oversimplify matters to assume that party politics is something with “black and white” answers.
To use the above examples, one party favors reducing “our taxes” but in doing so raises them on affluent persons whose contribiutions fund communal activities (note that in New York, any frum person affected by the new caps on mortgage and SALT deductions is also probably a major donor to frum institutions). Support for “pro-life” candidates if theoretically correct, but many of the pro-life goyim oppose abortions even when the mother faces certain death otherwise.
editedNovember 6, 2018 12:56 pm at 12:56 pm #1618217GadolhadorahParticipant
As a purely legal matter, I think several of the above posters are correct. As a practical matter, not-for-profit organizations on BOTH the left and the right routinely find ways to circumvent the rules and indirectly endorse candidates, sometimes through issue advocacy. Also, the IRS no longer seems to actively monitor such violations by tax-exempt organizations as a result of the Lois Lerner episode.November 6, 2018 2:06 pm at 2:06 pm #1618264
Joseph, next time check the time of the post before you complain about repetition, besides I heard it from the Aguda’s Public Affairs Director.November 6, 2018 2:07 pm at 2:07 pm #1618270
Akuperma those who needed tax cuts most, got it. The askonim who put dems in power deserve the high taxes that they voted for.November 6, 2018 3:06 pm at 3:06 pm #1618297iacisrmmaParticipant
joseph…..its probably the first time you have the correct answer so it is being repeatedNovember 6, 2018 3:06 pm at 3:06 pm #1618296
If the tax cuts are so good, why don’t the Republicans run on it? It created great deficits that we are living with.November 6, 2018 3:07 pm at 3:07 pm #1618294
1, I don’t know what world you live in. The opposite is true. People who got tax cuts did not need it and those who needed it the most did not get it.November 6, 2018 3:14 pm at 3:14 pm #1618308akupermaParticipant
1. The impact on frum institutions of raising taxes on the “donor-class” could be serious. Many Torah institutions depend on contributions from donors who are also home owners and have high incomes and live in Blue states. The issue isn’t so simple.
2. Consider other aspects of the red-blue issue. Many frum people benefit from entitlements, such as WIC, CHIP, Medicare and Social Security (not so much as the goyim since most of “our greatest generation” didn’t live to retirement, but we now have frum boomers reaching retirement ago so it affects us to), Medicaid and even SNAP. Any fiscally responsible policy needs to cut entitlements. So what is the frum position on the matter.
This issues are all complex, and Agudah needs to address a much more complicated situation than you seem to realize, meaning they need to work with all sides of the political system. You can’t very easily endorse one candidate, and expect to work with his opponent if you picked the wrong horse.November 6, 2018 4:59 pm at 4:59 pm #1618349☕️coffee addictParticipant
1, I don’t know what world you live in. The opposite is true. People who got tax cuts did not need it and those who needed it the most did not get it.
I don’t know where you got that information from but I saw my taxes (federal not state) get drastically cutNovember 6, 2018 4:59 pm at 4:59 pm #1618329
The askonim picks a horse that keeps on getting further left.November 6, 2018 4:59 pm at 4:59 pm #1618328CuriosityParticipant
Regardless of your personal considerations regarding your taxes, your concern for your fellow brothers and sisters living in Eretz Yisrael should be the issue that drives you to vote. You, as a Jew living in the most powerful country in the world, and being endowed with the opportunity and responsibility to vote, which we all so shortsightedly take for granted, have the added responsibility of kol Yisrael areivim ze lazeh. It is crystal clear which party supports the Jews in EY and which party supports the Yishmaelim that are biting at the bit to slaughter Jews.
When you go to shamayim and they ask you why you voted for rulers that detest God and support immorality and Anti-Semitic terrorist nations, I hope “Trump’s tax cuts made my taxes go up” isn’t your choice response.November 6, 2018 4:59 pm at 4:59 pm #1618319
So, then you’d agree with a Judenrat working with a Nazi for pragmatic reasons?November 6, 2018 7:19 pm at 7:19 pm #1618397
I am retired and afraid that the deficit created will require to cut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.November 6, 2018 7:19 pm at 7:19 pm #1618398
coffee addict, why don’t they run on tax cuts?November 6, 2018 7:19 pm at 7:19 pm #1618374Bshtei_EinayimParticipant
The poster that calls himself/herslef GadalHadorah suddenly is okay with breaking secular laws. Seems like secular law and “dina dimalchusa” does not matter when an opportunity arises to attack a frum communal organization. Thanks for showing us what you are made of. We knew it but now you make it clear. We will remember this next time you talk about the “law”.November 6, 2018 9:23 pm at 9:23 pm #1618519
Akuperma, the Aguda was also a political party in Europe. Your statement about abortion is disgusting and racist. If were a mod I would have deleted it. As fir benefits, their communities should help them find jobs instead of encouraging them to sponge while denying that they must obey the laws.
Laskern, Soc Sec has nothing to do with the general fund – yet. It is funded by its own trust fund although because of over-generosity and demographic trends it is running down.
Dor, are you saying that its OK to break the law if you are not called on it? BTW, the evangelicals are trying to get Congress to change the law. A blue Congress would certainly not change it.November 6, 2018 9:42 pm at 9:42 pm #1618523
I would also change “tell” to “suggest”. See Rema CM 163:1 that each voter must give his opinion l’shem Shemayim. His and not his rav’s. L’shem Shemayim and not to advance some personal interest.November 6, 2018 10:39 pm at 10:39 pm #1618544☕️coffee addictParticipant
coffee addict, why don’t they run on tax cuts?
How come the economy is doing so great? (Please don’t say Obama, he said there will never be gdp greater than 3%)November 6, 2018 11:18 pm at 11:18 pm #1618551GadolhadorahParticipant
Two Eyes…..I suspect you also have two ears which suggests you may have have heard that most Jewish and Goyeshe religious organizations (especially the Evangelicals) have routinely found ways to communicate their political views while the IRS (courtesy of the Republicans and certain partisan Democrat yiddeshe woman at the IRS during ) has simply stopped enforcing the rules on political advocacy by tax-exempt organizaitons. No, I’m not advocating either side breaking the law, simply stating a fact…..November 6, 2018 11:58 pm at 11:58 pm #1618561
coffee addict, The economy is doing so great shouldering the great deficits
for the tax cuts.November 7, 2018 2:00 am at 2:00 am #1618567
Actually the tax law does not bar rabbanim or other clergy from endorsing candidates per se. That would be a violation of the Free Speech clause. It bars them from doing so in the names of their institutions or from their pulpits.
BTW, being that we are correcting spelling and grammar, the title of this thread should end “for whom” . According to grammarly.com
“Whom should be used to refer to the object of a verb or preposition. When in doubt, try this simple trick: If you can replace the word with ‘he’ or ‘’she’, use ‘who’. If you can replace it with ‘him’ or ‘her’, use ‘whom’.”November 7, 2018 9:29 am at 9:29 am #1618653👑RebYidd23Participant
Some hold that if “who” is incorrect, it is proper to restructure the sentence for the purpose of avoiding the word “whom”.November 8, 2018 8:47 am at 8:47 am #1620030
RebYidd23, Who is the subject, the one voting, whereas whom is the object, the one being voted for. Who is the active participant, whereas whom is the passive paticipant. It is easier to say whom than to restructure the sentence.
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