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    on the ball
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    Am I the only one who cringes at this phrase?

    #948108

    whats to cringe about

    #948109
    Ender
    Participant

    Yup

    #948110
    Abba bar Aristotle
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    on the ball I agree with you. See Seforno in Devorim that Love is an emotion that depends on how good I think someone is.

    To Love someone “chinum” is abdicating this responsibility.

    #948111
    Torah613Torah
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    It sounds new age-y

    #948112
    HaLeiVi
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    What’s wrong with Ahavas Chinam, who doesn’t like freebies?

    #948113
    on the ball
    Participant

    I should have explained what makes me cringe:

    1)As Torah613Torah has pointed out – it is a new-age-y term not found (to my albeit limited knowledge) anywhere in either classical or contemporary Jewish literature. This is so even though in literally countless places starting with Mishna and Gemara up until contemporary Sifrei Mussar, there is a wealth of writing dealing with the mitzva of loving a fellow Jew. I’m sure they could have all thought of that term yet they clearly felt it was inapplicable for whatever reason. Do we need to try and be smarter?

    2)If you translate it into English you come up with a term that has terrible connotations.

    3)It is borrowed from ‘Sinas Chinam’ which while making sense in that context (i.e. the idea of hating someone for no reason), makes little sense in its opposite context. You are not supposed to love people for no reason. You are supposed to love them for an excellent reason – namely that they are part of our family, the Jewish people and G-d has commanded us to love each Jew.

    #948114
    mothepro
    Member

    What makes you cringe, the concept or the name?

    #948115
    BetShemeshInExile
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    It should really be called “Ahavas Yisrael”. However because unfortunately most of us don’t feel this internal automatic love for another member of the tribe, but we have to have a reason, the term “Ahavas Chinam” is used.

    Meaning love them just because we are all part of one big family and don’t look for other reasons(i.e. same kind of head covering, type of shul etc…)

    #948116
    on the ball
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    No the concept is OK (except for my point about us needing to love Jews for the very good reason of Hashem’s commandment rather than in vain), it’s the name I don’t like.

    #948117
    popa_bar_abba
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    Maybe one day Hashem will give you CLARITY in this.

    #948118
    on the ball
    Participant

    PBA: Not sure what you mean but whatever …thanks.

    #948119
    batseven
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    on the ball: Popa is just making fun cuz he gets nervous from the word clarity

    #948120

    Rav Kook said that bayit sheini was destroyed because of sines chinam, and the third will be built because of ahavas chinam. He added we don’t really even need ahavas chinam to explain loving a fellow Jew- the fact that they’re Jewish is reason enough!

    #948121
    mdd
    Member

    It is not a mitsva to love reshoim. The mitsva applies only to erliche Yidden or true tinokos she’nishbu.

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