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For some reason i think that Ahmadinejad is a gilgul of Haman HaRasha bc 1)he is a Rasha and wants to annilate us and 2)he is the king of Iran (Persia).
What do you think?
Good observation.
They both seem to be the same brand of evil fools.
So then what are the ayatollahs?
Silly nonsense, IMHO. Feel free to think whatever you want, of course.
Some people go around everywhere randomly labeling any and every person they don’t like as “Haman”, “Canaanites”, “Edomites”, and who-knows-what.
In my opinion, those who do so equate themselves with right-wing ultra-conservative American Christians.
(That’s not a good thing.)
“So then what are the ayatollahs?”
karshena, shesar, admasa, tarshish, meres, marsena, and memuchan (although that may be haman…)
In contrast the ayatollahs are less clownish evil fools.
to OP
what do you know about the concept of gilgul that make you think so?
Hi nitpicker.
What are you specifically suggesting?
While I cannot speak for lovebeingjewish, to keep this convo in the scope of what is being talked about, it is not about the concept of gilgul, but the characteristics and historical position of Haman and Achmadinijad.
I take it you are hinting at saying it is not possible. But you know, anything is possible.
to btguy.
I am not suggesting anything myself.
I think one should not make wild assertions without anything to back it up and then further ask others to do the same.
such a discussion is silly.
done.
Nitpicker,
Are you nitpicking?
Why do questions have to be serious questions
because words and talk are very powerful things which have very powerful effects.
be careful what you say or write and try to consider the consequences.
perhaps the only effect of this one is that lurkers, who may think that the writers represent Orthodox Jewish thought, will conclude that Jewish ideas and philosophy are ridiculous. that is bad enough.
As nitpicker says. People who come up with these stange theories which are founded on nothing give us a bad name.
Hi nitpicker.
You certainly are making a suggestion and the oppositional tone, when none is required, is evidently implied.
How ironic that you claim to be making no assertion yet are backing up your non-assertion with a combative, critical tone.
Interesting!
As nitpicker says. People who come up with these stange theories which are founded on nothing give us a bad name.
is this the strange theory you were referring to?
perhaps the only effect of this one is that lurkers, who may think that the writers represent Orthodox Jewish thought, will conclude that Jewish ideas and philosophy are ridiculous. that is bad enough.
lol
Interesting. However, it’s not that simple. It’s probably a bit more precise that Ahmadinejad posesses a nitzotz/spark of the Neshama of Haman, as probably Hitler Y”S and Arafat Y”S before that. It’s not so clear to me how many Gilgulim can exist for non-Jews. Ethnicity (e.g., from Iran) may have very little to do with Gilgulim
He cant be a gilgul of Haman.
Ahmadinejad is jewish.
@coffee addict – yes, that is precisely what I was referring to.
We are not Hashem and we don’t know what he does. The ones I usually hear saying such things are extreme right-wing Christians, and other similar freaks.
Ahmedinejad is bad, yes. He is a threat, yes. He is a danger, yes. But one cannot just go around calling someone a “gilgul of Haman” based on absolutely nothing. What about Nasrallah? What about Arafat, indeed? What about OBL? Hitler? We don’t know. We are not privy to this, we don’t know who is a gilgul of who.
He cant be a gilgul of Haman.
Ahmadinejad is jewish.
Bilaam said “Tamos Nafshi Mos Yisharim” and he was actually migalgel into a yid (albeit a rasha)
to btguy
are we fighting? again? I don’t know what about.
The Chassidishe Gatesheader found my posts clear enough to agree with them, while coffee_addict is LOL and called my idea strange as opposed to the one that started this thread. they thought my writing coherent enough to agree or disagree.
I am totally baffled by your post. Since I don’t want to be always fighting with you or anyone else (who knows? we may even know each other), I am going to take a hiatus on posting.
Hi nitpicker.
I had a point I was trying to make. I was not fighting.
If people want to share ideas, as you did in confronting the poster of this thread, who I happened to understand totally, in the way you claim Chassidishe Gatesheader understands your view, then you have to accept people will disagree. And with smart people like us, there may be BIG disagreements. That does not mean it is a fight.
I enjoy reading what you views; even if I do or dont agree with them. I like the stimulation.
But since you use the name nitpicker, carefully think whether you should develop someone possibly nitpicking with you.
While I was not nitpicking, I did think you were heavy handed in your confrontation about the concept of this thread.
Anyway….I hope you continue to post.
Peace!
to btguy
you were indeed fighting, your post was not a reasoned argument, just an attack. I certainly do expect people to disagree with my opinionsNas I acknowledged that coffee_addict did so. no problem.
The fact that you then say that I don’t, means once again, you took what you wanted and ignored the rest.
I do write tersely, (at least at the start) which when looked at later seems harsher than intended.
but you don’t seem to even comprehend what I was saying.
that would be fine too, if you didn’t then find far-fetched interpretations of my words.
I cannot even defend myself against your attack, since I can’t make any logical sense out of it.
I will give this a rest for a while.
Relax nitpicker, its just the current fad.
“One says gilgul,the other says a nitzotz. Not clear, we’ll decide during Shovavim.”
What did you mean by this statement? Did you study Sha’ar HaGilgulim of the Ariza”l or by the Rama MiPano? There are guidelines concerning this. But you don’t have to go that far. There were 600,000 “Neshamos” at Har Sinai. There are a few million of us here at this time/space. Explain that.
As I said in previous posts, Tanach and Tehillim should be said for its own sake, not for any particular purpose. I am amazed that very few people know where the pesukim of Tefilla originally come from.
Feel free to give $36 to a reputable organization and have in mind the mitzvah of Tzedaka.
What red string? What’s that? Never heard of that.
Hope for the best. No, hope in HaShem: Kaveh el HaShem… (that’s a pasuk)
RT – hello, do I really have to point out that I was trying very hard to be sarcastic ? Making basically your points ?
Hi Logician: I am sorry, I ask Mechila. I did not intend to have come across that way. R.T.
No prob. Just didn’t want anyone thinking that I was saying one thing, when I was saying the opposite!
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