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    Gadolhadorah
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    Japan Air Lines just announced that their seat maps for most international flights will show whether a seat had been reserved for babies (under 2yo) so that other passengers would know in advance and plan accordingly since some would prefer not to pay several thousand dollars for a 14 hour flight with the possibility of sitting next to a crying infant. Perhaps El Al might show the gender of those with advanced seat assignments so that all the big tzadikim who delay flights because they want their seats changed at the last minute to avoid sitting next to a woman might be able to avoid such challenges. Aside from possible legal questions for the El Al lawyers and likely objections from womens’ rights group, might this type of seatmap mitigate the problem? Given how many seats these days are held for airport assignment or last minute changes, the idea may be impractical and ineffective but the concept was my first thought after reading the about the new JAL seatmap format.

    #1791272

    Joseph
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    You need to frame it in terms of “protecting women” from harassment. Thereby by identifying the gender of nearby seatholders you “allow women to choose to sit next to a woman to avoid the risk of harassment”.

    Framing it as such can get it implemented whereas framing it as to help protect morality will get it shot down by the leftists and anti-religious.

    #1791279

    ☕️coffee addict
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    The problem though is the people that identify as a different gender than what they were born with

    #1791401

    flyer
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    Under 2 you dont need a seat

    #1791445

    ubiquitin
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    GH
    That would defeat the entire purpose of not sitting next to women

    #1791448

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Are you people so far from the concept of kedushah that you can’t imagine that there are people who do care?

    Why the need to mock?

    #1791453

    Whatsaktome
    Participant

    It is a chilul hashem in some cases, you can try to avoid it In a not obvious way, but when it will cause a chilul hashem you should not

    #1791458

    Milhouse
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    Indeed this was what I wrote when the issue first flared up, and the fact that El Al refused to implement such a simple solution proved to me that they were not interested in resolving the issue, and were motivated only by hostility to religion. It would be very simple to implement both in prebooking and in airport assignment.

    Even simpler, they could provide an explicit option to ask for seating next to someone of the same sex, and do the assignments that way. If there was enough demand on a particular flight they could even have single-sex sections. This is a very simple idea, that must have occurred to them but they refused to consider it.

    #1791472

    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    @Millhouse
    It may seem a simple solution to you, BUT in many of the US jurisdictions from which they fly, merely offering a singles sex section or asking the question violates equal rights in a public accommodation

    #1791462

    Little Froggie
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    Unfortuantely Daas Yochid is becoming daas yochid. He’s absolutely right!!!

    My friend took care of this quiet easily. The woman in the middle absolutely would not budge, out of “principle”. Oh, she’d definitely entitled.
    He just told her he’s out on parole … she went flying…

    Another cute anecdote I heard of an adam gadol riding on a bus in Eretz Yisroel. A woman went and sat down beside him.. He didn’t want to embarrass her and get up.. So he told he in a hushed tone “btw I have Cruspadin”. And she rushed out. (Cruspadin is the targum for Tzitzis!)

    #1791522

    interjection
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    “Even simpler, they could provide an explicit option to ask for seating next to someone of the same sex, and do the assignments that way. If there was enough demand on a particular flight they could even have single-sex sections. This is a very simple idea, ”

    That would probably go just as smoothly as the concert for chareidim in Afula.

    #1791598

    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    Has anyone experienced the reaction when it was proposed to install a mechitzah for the small room outside the beis medrash used for the Kiddush club? It got real ugly very quickly

    #1793494

    He just told her he’s out on parole … she went flying…

    So he lied for the sake of something which isn’t actually an issur?

    #1793540

    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    In a worse case scenario especially when flying in the winter months buy a cheap surgical mask in the drugstore and wear it in the boarding area and when you sit down. In at least 50 percent of the cases, it will guarantee you an empty adjacent seat without your having to engage in deceptive language or dressing up as if you were a potential nutcase reading an Arabic version of Al Jazeera upside down

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