November 27, 2021 10:36 pm at 10:36 pm #2034873EJMRBroParticipant
I’m genuinely surprised that the Ashkenazi trauma post made it past screening. certainly there are some unhinged mods here. Maybe the same that approve my troll posts.November 27, 2021 11:36 pm at 11:36 pm #2034918Shimon NodelParticipant
Mod29 shut it down a minute after I tried to point out that sfardim (mostly syrians) are prejudiced against Ashkenazim.
Apparently, only bashing of Ashkenazim is ok. Is it because we’re white? Last time I checked Syrians are white tooNovember 28, 2021 12:07 am at 12:07 am #2034930GadolhadorahParticipant
Mods: Is this a race to the bottom??
Nah, I was just waiting for someone to defend me.November 28, 2021 12:10 am at 12:10 am #2034931
Shimon Model, I realized that.
Ejmrbro, I agree that post was racist.November 28, 2021 8:36 am at 8:36 am #2035005
Who said that Y.O. is even Sephardic??November 28, 2021 9:30 am at 9:30 am #2035033commonsaychelParticipant
I know or care if your Sephadic, I could say beased on your posts your an immature attention seeking trollNovember 28, 2021 11:04 am at 11:04 am #2035045☕️coffee addictParticipant
“Who said that Y.O. is even Sephardic??”
You did! 🙄🙄🙄
“December 31, 2018 7:50 am at 7:50 am in reply to:
The Killing of Nahal Haredi Soldiers and the Anti Draft Protests
After reading all of this, I thank Hashem for making me Sephardic.“
In America (which I assume you’re from also) we say
LAWYERED!November 28, 2021 11:06 am at 11:06 am #2035059Avi KParticipant
CS, based on your post you do not know English. Here is the corrected version:
I don’t know or care if you’re Sephardic, I could say based on your posts that you’re an immature, attention seeking, troll.November 28, 2021 11:16 am at 11:16 am #2035073
“Ashkenazic” is not a race.November 28, 2021 12:43 pm at 12:43 pm #2035104HaLeiViParticipant
““Ashkenazic” is not a race.”
If there is any such thing as race, Jewish-Ashkenaz would be it. In fact, that’s what I always enter into the (racist) government forms. I am not from the Caucasus.
I do say, though, that black is not a race. It is a skin attribute that many races have in common.November 28, 2021 12:43 pm at 12:43 pm #2035106
The post was in now way offensive, it contemplated real issues. Maybe it should have been written in a slightly lighter way. Still, the immediate visceral “ashkenazi lives matter” reaction was way inappropriate and shows that any community can fall low.
Maybe part of the reason that most are accustomed to Reform/MO/non-Jewish views and understand what they hear. In this case, a traditional Sephardi view was not on their radar and sounded unfair. General musar advice is when you hear an accusation – even if it feels unfair, stop and contemplate and try to find a morsel of truth even in the most unfair accusation. If you find it, you will benefit from it even if the accuser did not intend to benefit you (which is not a case here).November 28, 2021 12:44 pm at 12:44 pm #2035107
That’s semantics; you’re saying lashon hora on an entire group (actually, sefardim are often stunned to find out how small of a minority they are in the Jewish population… Living in their neighborhood they sometimes think it’s 50/50). There are 13 million jews and only 1.5 are sefardi. Roughly 12%. So… What you’re saying is that 11.5 million jews are neurotic, while sefardim are mentally healthy. Just take out the word ashkenaz, put in jew, t then change sefardi for German, and you’ll see what we’re sayingNovember 28, 2021 12:44 pm at 12:44 pm #2035108
How is Caucasian a race but Ashkenazic not?November 28, 2021 12:45 pm at 12:45 pm #2035112
My mistake; the ratio is 20%/80%, with 3.5 million sefardim – my apologiesNovember 28, 2021 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm #2035123n0mesorahParticipant
If that type of discussion was blocked from every post, there would not be many threads getting past the first thirty responses. Y. O. Could be unhinged or racist or a troll. But he was right on topic with what animates us. We did reply. We took the bait. Kudos to the mods that are being bombarded with this provocative posts and keep on letting them through. Probably the most patient ones here.November 28, 2021 12:50 pm at 12:50 pm #2035128RomainParticipant
Ashkenaz means white jews and white is a raceNovember 28, 2021 12:51 pm at 12:51 pm #2035143
coffee addict, thank you for clearing that up.
I find dishonest and misleading writinga of posters abhorrent.November 28, 2021 12:52 pm at 12:52 pm #2035156
“Still, the immediate visceral “ashkenazi lives matter” reaction was way inappropriate and shows that any community can fall low.”
Agreed. My Rov made the same point last year when some people started parroting “Jewish Lives Matter”. That we Yidden should never be taking or re-coining slogans originating from the lowest of the low.November 28, 2021 2:23 pm at 2:23 pm #2035176
Halachically there is no difference between Sephardim, Ashkenazim and Mizrachim however in DNA testing there’s a seperate catogory for Ashkenazim and Sephardim. I’m not sure how accurate these categories are since there were many Sephardim that never left Europe since the Spanish and Portuguese expulsions and there are Ashkenazim who lived in EY for centuries so I can’t imagine it is all black and white. Also, the expulsion of the Sefardim Jews did not happen too long ago in terms of affecting genetics IMO.
But, l’maasoh, there are different categories when DNA is tested.November 28, 2021 2:45 pm at 2:45 pm #2035183Shimon NodelParticipant
Ujm, they copied us. We have the phrase דם יהודי אינו הפקרNovember 28, 2021 2:47 pm at 2:47 pm #2035186☕️coffee addictParticipant
“Ashkenaz means white jews and white is a race“
I don’t know where you got that fromNovember 28, 2021 2:47 pm at 2:47 pm #2035191n0mesorahParticipant
The majority of Jews are probably neither Ashkenazic or Sefardic.November 28, 2021 3:21 pm at 3:21 pm #2035287
AAQ thank you! Perhaps my post was rough. But rather than having an open ear, most of you had a knee jerk reaction. Why not listen for once?November 28, 2021 4:49 pm at 4:49 pm #2035301
phil > DNA testing there’s a seperate catogory for Ashkenazim and Sephardim.
No, there is a separate category for Ashkenazim who came from a small number of medieval ancestors. The rest (loosely called Sepahardim) represent a wider DNA of all Jews from previous history, that is they consist of a much large set of groups both by DNA, and by minhagim and history. The “recent” (last 500-1000 years) growth of Ashkenazim obscures that.November 28, 2021 4:50 pm at 4:50 pm #2035305
The majority are neither ashkenaz nor sefardi? What are they then?November 28, 2021 7:18 pm at 7:18 pm #2035323
AAQ: That’s bubbe maaisa theories coming from boneheads.November 28, 2021 7:20 pm at 7:20 pm #2035327
A related question is – what is the source of the brocha that Ashkenazim got to grow like fish? Besides Torah scholarship, a possible answer is – beans. New agricultural methods introduced in Northern Europe in middle ages involved cross-growing beans and grain. Population was usually limited by amount of available protein that, in turn, was limited by amount of livestock that was limited by multiple factors – amount of grain, fields, labor … Beans introduced additional protein that lead to growth of population in Northern Europe comparative to Mediterranean. It also lead us to a kitniyos issue on Pesach, but it seems to be a small price to pay.November 28, 2021 7:25 pm at 7:25 pm #2035339
“Who said that Y.O. is even Sephardic??”
You did! 🙄🙄🙄
Good catch. Here, though, he said he isn’t.November 28, 2021 7:25 pm at 7:25 pm #2035356
And, yes, there are probably more important things to talk about in 2021 than the CR poster Yabia Omer.November 28, 2021 7:40 pm at 7:40 pm #2035360
“Ashkenazic” is not a race.
Ok, fine. So you’re stam a soneh Yisrael and a ba’al machlokes.
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