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Is someone who can’t learn (Torah) considered an am ha’aretz? What constitutes an am ha’aretz?
Am Ha’aretz means different things in different situations. Colloquially it generally means someone who does not know so much Torah/Halacha.
people who post on yeshiva world instead of learning…owait…*runs away*
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Brachos 47B.
Someone who learned tanach, mishna, gemara but never did shimush talmidei chachamim is an am ha’aretz.
An Am Ha’aretz Doiraysa is someone so upright, the world was created in his merit ?? ?????? ????? ????. See Rashi 20:2 “Am Ha’aretz”
GAW: I’m pretty sure that Gemara is only talking in regards to Tumah Vetahara.
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Sorry: I missed out on that one it’s Rashi, Chumash Vayikra (Kodoshim) 20:2 “Am Ha’aretz”
GAW: I’m pretty sure that Gemara is only talking in regards to Tumah Vetahara.
Sam, see Rashi there.
GAW: And what do Chazal talk about an Am Ha’aretz in regards to usually? (And yes, I’m assuming that Bechol Makom means most places, not everywhere.)
watch the video “yankel am ha’aretz”. that should clear it up for you.
watch the video “yankel am ha’aretz”.
I’m actually a bit annoyed by that video. It portrays him as a retard.
An am haaretz is not a retard, it is an ignoramus.
Poppa I agree with your post. Those were my thoughts on it too.
GAW: And what do Chazal talk about an Am Ha’aretz in regards to usually? (And yes, I’m assuming that Bechol Makom means most places, not everywhere.)
I didn’t make that assumption, and I never counted. When you are done going through shas and you have counted, please let me know 🙂
There is only one major concept for which being an Am Ha’aretz is relevant (well, two). The main one is that Amei Ha’aretz are considered T’mai’im for certain things. The second is for Terumos and Ma’asros.
Interestingly enough, I was listening to Rav Schachter’s shiur online last night right after reading this thread. (Mods don’t let links to YUTorah, but it’s titled Shiur #21-Yevamos-Chazara under R’ Schachter.) He quotes that some people still hold that we are all Amei Ha’aretz Bizman Hazeh (because no one accepted to become a Chaver in front of 3 Chaverim) and that he was once by a Rosh Yeshivah in E”Y who wouldn’t give him anything that needed Terumos and Ma’asros taken off because no one can trust anyone else Bizman Hazeh for Terumos and Ma’asros.
Interestingly enough, I was listening to Rav Schachter’s shiur online last night right after reading this thread. (Mods don’t let links to YUTorah, but it’s titled Shiur #21-Yevamos-Chazara under R’ Schachter.) He quotes that some people still hold that we are all Amei Ha’aretz Bizman Hazeh (because no one accepted to become a Chaver in front of 3 Chaverim) and that he was once by a Rosh Yeshivah in E”Y who wouldn’t give him anything that needed Terumos and Ma’asros taken off because no one can trust anyone else Bizman Hazeh for Terumos and Ma’asros.
It is one of the Brisker Chumrahs. I’ve seen it in practice, and have posted it before IIRC.
Also add to you list Pesulei Eidus, etc. from ????? ?? ? that yitayningwut posted.
A classic “Am Ha’aretz” is someone who belives what is written in Ha’aretz.
That Gemara in Pesachim is clearly not meant to be taken literally as the most important Halachic ideas were left off of that list and nothing mentioned above it is Paskened (though see the Ben Yehoyada there for an amazing Lema’aseh P’shat of what Lenochro Beyom Hakippurim Shechal Lihyos Beshabbas means). I would assume from context that Am Ha’aretz in that Gemara means someone who is anti-religious. See the Rambam in Perek 11 of Hilchos Eidus where he defines Am Ha’aretz from that Gemara as someone who we can assume doesn’t keep Halacha (because we have seen that he is not learned and because he does not have proper Derech Eretz).
See the Rambam in Perek 11 of Hilchos Eidus where he defines Am Ha’aretz from that Gemara as someone who we can assume doesn’t keep Halacha (because we have seen that he is not learned and because he does not have proper Derech Eretz).
Sounds like a good definition to me!
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