Amazon Automatic Shipment of Chometz Received on Pesach!

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    Joseph
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    What should someone do if he forgot to cancel his automatic monthly shipment of chometz products from Amazon (Subscribe & Save) and he receives the delivery on Pesach?

    Should he reject the package from UPS (or whomever)? If it was already delivered by the post office, should he put it back in the mailbox/PO unopened, as refused? If FedEx dropped it in front of his house should he bring it in? If the carrier refuses to accept a return without an authorized return label from Amazon, what should he do?

    #1715535

    iacisrmma
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    If your credit card is charged it may already belong to you.

    #1715534

    iacisrmma
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    this is a question for a Rov not the CR.

    #1715570

    Let this thread serve as a reminder: check your Subscribe and Save orders, and postpone any chometz shipments until after Pesach.

    #1715577

    DovidBT
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    Does selling your chometz and/or nullifying it cover this situation?

    #1715573

    ubiquitin
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    “this is a question for a Rov not the CR.”

    why can’t this be discussed in the coffeeroom?

    #1715618

    justme22
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    @dovidbt I would think that it would depend on the date of the actual payment being charged to the credit card. If the transaction occurred before the chametz was sold and it was only the shipment that ocurred during pesach then I assume you would be right

    #1715874

    Joseph
    Participant

    Amazon charges the credit card the same day the items ship. (Credit card rules require that any merchant not charge prior to shipment.) The authorization may have been an earlier date.

    #1716159

    iacisrmma
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    dovidbt: this is why I think the question is for a Rov. The sale and the nullifying is only for what you have on erev pesach. You cant sell something you dont own yet.

    #1716160

    ujm
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    We need R’ Yair Hoffman to address this question.

    #1716168

    Reb Eliezer
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    Call to get a return authorization without opening ir otherwise refuse to accept it as by a Jew meshicha creates ownership.

    #1716211

    Reb Eliezer
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    If left there, you show you don’t want to acquire it by indicating that you want to return it by being mesalek yourself from ownership.

    #1716202

    iacisrmma
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    ubiquitin: we can “discuss” anything but if one needs a psak I will always opt for asking a Rov, not the CR.

    #1716522

    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    According to the Minchas Chen on the Haggadah you make the rav a poal (worker) for you by paying him, so you can sell chametz which was bought after the mechirah.

    #1716493

    ubiquitin
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    “but if one needs a psak I will always opt for asking a Rov, not the CR.”

    Yes that goes without saying.

    Joseph isn’t looking for a psak. The story isn’t real, it Pesach is still a few days away. It is just an interesting discussion .

    That said, this discussion isn’t particularly interesting (to me) as it seems to be a befeirish mechaber and MB
    http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14165&st=&pgnum=56

    484:2 MB 4-5

    Metaltelin are not aquired by kesef so the fact that it was paid for is irrelevant (even assuming credit card counts as “kesef”)

    #1716752

    ujm
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    Are you koneh it if your dog brought the package in from the front porch?

    #1717323

    Shimon Nodel
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    It all depends on when a kinyan was made. I think even if it was left on your porch, you need to have daas to be koneh. I think you may just have to leave it there or even take it off your property until after yom tov. (I think it needs to be in a place that’s not meshumar.) If it’s still there after yom tov, you can keep it.

    #1718341

    Joseph
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    What if the automatic order is billed/shipped on Pesach but is delivered after Pesach.

    Must you burn it?

    #1718361

    Reb Eliezer
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    Joseph, isn’t the sender responsible until it arrives to you?

    #1718405

    jerkoq12
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    If you receive it in Pesach you need to discard it. You are not allowed to return for credit. Since you are not allowed to have hanoah on chinetz sheover ole pesach

    #1718412

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Are you allowed to return or sell the chametz and burn the money?

    #1718416

    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    But since a chashuvah yid like Joseph presumably was at some fancy resort for yom tov and doesn’t get home until motzi yom tov, isn’t the real shaylah as to whether the Amazon delivery on his front doorstep has become some variation of chametz she’avar alav hapesach??

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