May 23, 2014 6:23 pm at 6:23 pm #612866
Why don’t people say amen after ahavas olam before krias shema? Is it similar to semichas geula ltefila?May 23, 2014 6:27 pm at 6:27 pm #1016402PulsingFlowerMember
They doMay 23, 2014 6:37 pm at 6:37 pm #1016403Patur Aval AssurParticipant
It’s a machlokes whether to say amen. The reason to not say amen is that it would be a hefsek between the Beracha and Shema. The reason to say amen is that the beracha is not specifically a beracha on krias shema so there’s no hefsek issue.May 23, 2014 6:44 pm at 6:44 pm #1016404
Why cant there be a hefsek?? aren’t there supposed to be two brachos before krias shema? and if so ,why is it a hefsek to say amen?May 23, 2014 6:44 pm at 6:44 pm #1016405rationalfrummieMember
PAA- granted that ahava raba could be a birkas hatorah of sorts. but ahavas olam couldn’t- its already nightime and you should’ve made the beracha way earlier. that doesn’t seem like so compelling logic.May 23, 2014 7:14 pm at 7:14 pm #1016406Sam2Participant
It’ a Stirah in the Mishnah B’rurah.May 23, 2014 7:15 pm at 7:15 pm #1016407R.T.Participant
“but ahavas olam couldn’t- its already nightime and you should’ve made the beracha way earlier”
Not necessarily. If someone slept a ‘real’ sleep in the middle of the day, then he has to have in mind that the Bracha Ahavas Olam applies to limud hatorah immediately after Ma’ariv, which he should do immediately after davening.
In order to circumvent the issue, the eitza is to say the final bracha (Ohev Amo Yisrael…) simultaneously with the Chazzan (albeit in an undertone) which protracts the person from answering Amen to his own bracha.May 23, 2014 7:23 pm at 7:23 pm #1016408Patur Aval AssurParticipant
It might not be compelling to you but ayen MB 59:25. It is interesting though because even the Shulchan Aruch who says not to say amen, holds that if you davened maariv early and you repeat krias shema after tzais hakochavim you do not say the berachos precisely because the berachos are not specifically on krias shema.May 23, 2014 7:31 pm at 7:31 pm #1016409
thanks everyoneMay 23, 2014 8:22 pm at 8:22 pm #1016410WolfishMusingsParticipant
Why don’t people say amen after ahavas olam before krias shema?
The WolfMay 23, 2014 8:38 pm at 8:38 pm #1016411popa_bar_abbaParticipant
a groiseh raiah. you also talk during leining.May 23, 2014 9:16 pm at 9:16 pm #1016412R.T.Participant
“I do.” (The Wolf)
And now I pronounce you …May 25, 2014 3:50 am at 3:50 am #1016413
popa_bar_abba:(a groiseh raiah. you also talk during leining.)
yeah but does he say Ka’eylah out loud?May 25, 2014 5:26 am at 5:26 am #1016414the plumberMember
Pba. I also talk during leining. I’m a baal korea…May 25, 2014 6:23 am at 6:23 am #1016415☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
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