December 29, 2021 12:36 pm at 12:36 pm #2046037
It’s so pathetic that teachers in America think that 4000 dollars
Is not a sufficient salary.in ey a teacher would be lucky to receive
$1800 .American teachers want there salaries to be $14000.
In ey that’s about what ministers in the kneset receive.December 29, 2021 1:24 pm at 1:24 pm #2046099n0mesorahParticipant
Zero comparison.December 29, 2021 1:25 pm at 1:25 pm #2046100
Cost of living.
I’d say more, but I’m laughing too hard.December 29, 2021 2:18 pm at 2:18 pm #2046111
per class taught
per student taught
You make ZERO sense in you postDecember 29, 2021 2:23 pm at 2:23 pm #2046119
He means per month.
Sorry, I’m still giggling.December 29, 2021 2:41 pm at 2:41 pm #2046131
All these figures are monthlyDecember 29, 2021 2:41 pm at 2:41 pm #2046132GadolhadorahParticipant
$4000/month won’t cover the mortgage for a 2 or 3 BR condo in many cities. You would need to have both parents working just to cover housing, food and medical care, leaving little for school tuition (teachers have children too who need to go to school).December 29, 2021 2:42 pm at 2:42 pm #2046137December 29, 2021 3:56 pm at 3:56 pm #2046143
Ey is double as expensive as the USA and in the same time
Israeilis earn a third of what Americans do. Source world Bank
Cost of Living statistics and world Bank salaries statisticsDecember 29, 2021 3:56 pm at 3:56 pm #2046148
@ct that’s true but it needs to be appreciated that it’s much better
Than ey .I mean israeili teachers earn 1800 dollars while American earn 4000 .December 29, 2021 3:56 pm at 3:56 pm #2046151
Sorry, just needed a minute to catch my breath.
I suspect even in א”י, its more expensive to live in some places than others.
In the US, poverty level for a family of 4 is around $2200 / month. That is for a typical family, not including the increase costs for kosher food, yeshiva tuition, etc.
This also doesnt include healthcare, childcare, a d Kollel subsidies and other benifits that y’all take hand over fist in Israel.
So comparing the 2 is laughable.
Also, I literally dream of the day when teachers go into the business for the money. I think חינוך overall would greatly benifit from professionals who appreciate the value of their work. For the most part though most teachers in the US do if for the “מצוה”, which dilutes the market.December 29, 2021 4:31 pm at 4:31 pm #2046239RockyParticipant
Gadol Hadorah: There are very few cities in the US where rent for a 2 or 3 bedroom apt is more than $4,000 per month. In those rare cases, the schools pay much more than $4,000 per month.
Romain: The issue is more than asking for a liveable salary. The issue is that people are not choosing teaching as a profession. The hope is that if salaries are increased that will change things.
Comparing teachers’ salaries from one country to another is just silly without comparing all cost of living expenses in total.
I don’t think anyone is suggesting teachers should make $168k per year. When you throw out a number like that it means your post is not seriousDecember 29, 2021 4:50 pm at 4:50 pm #2046257n0mesorahParticipant
Another sizeable difference is in the prestige and recognition in the community.December 29, 2021 8:34 pm at 8:34 pm #2046322
My experience with teachers’ salaries in the USA, has been as the son of a public school teacher, the brother of a day school teacher. As an Adjunct professor at both University and Law School
As a member of the Board of Directors who negotiates salaries and makes sure there is enough money to pay those salaries.
Excluding the adjunct professorial work, all the other teachers’ salaries are based on the school year: X dollars for the year, paid biweekly or bimonthly.
Part time specialists are paid by the course taught.
I have never come across American teachers paid by the month. In fact in public schools the pay is paid out over 10 months bi monthly (how teachers hate 5 week months and love February) UNLESS the teacher elects to receive less each pay period and receive payments over the summer break. This makes budgeting easier for the teacher.
The average teacher in our local public schools with a teaching license, bachelors and masters degrees and 10 years experience is being paid about $90,000 for a 185 day work year.
A teacher with similar qualifications in our local day school would earn about $50,000, but only teach a half day. Our local day schools don’t hire teachers without 4 year college diplomas.January 1, 2022 10:25 pm at 10:25 pm #2047099
I don’t know which schools in america you’re talking about in brooklyn I was making $28,000/year teaching. It’s not possible to live off that. When I moved to Lakewood my salary went down to less than $25,000 a year. This year I left teaching and starting working in an office. I don’t know anyone that makes $4,000/month teachingJanuary 1, 2022 10:48 pm at 10:48 pm #2047104
I don’t know a single school that pays $4,000/month. I was getting waaaaaaaaaaaaaayy less ($25,000/year) range. And I taught for ten years up until this year. Get your facts straight.January 1, 2022 10:49 pm at 10:49 pm #2047105
Oh and I taught for 10 years. Get your facts straightJanuary 1, 2022 10:50 pm at 10:50 pm #2047107
schools are pretty different. CTLawyer describes a different reality.
How many kids are in the class and how much tuition are they paying, nominal and real, in your school ?January 1, 2022 11:09 pm at 11:09 pm #2047115
google tells me:
The average Public School Teacher salary in New Jersey is $66,876 as of November 29, 2021, but the range typically falls between $58,376 and $77,219.January 1, 2022 11:21 pm at 11:21 pm #2047130
I didn’t realize you were talking about public schools.January 2, 2022 5:57 am at 5:57 am #2047159
CTLawyer chose to mention public schools. Situation that you mention about Jewish schools is akin to what was happening in US schools up to 19th century: educated women had only limited work opportunities, so they worked as teachers for low salary. Seems like you moving to other jobs is a similar economic decision. Still, it is somewhat sad: while Lakewood may be full of qualified teachers, I am sure there are lots and lots of Jewish children in the country that do not get good Jewish education. So, maybe there are jobs for Jewish teachers in less Jewishly-educated communities where you can both use your talents and support your family at the same time.
If you can find an area where they are, say, 15 kids you can teach, you can charge them modest $5K / child and seemingly earn more than you do now.January 2, 2022 2:25 pm at 2:25 pm #2047300
I discussed both public and day school salaries here in CT in my comments.
My mother spent her 40 year career in the public school system ending up as Asst Superintendent of Schools for Special Education. She retired in 1984. Back then the Jewish Day schools and local yeshivos would not admit that there were Jewish children who needed Special Ed and did not accept them as students.
In 1962 my mother approached the Director of Jewish Education for the Community Council in New Haven (H. Henkin) and offered to teach a Sunday school class for Jewish students with mental retardation (back then the basic diagnosis of special ed students, way before Autism and the spectrum were en vogue). He refused, saying those children should not be out in the community. She approached Yale University and was offered a classroom free of charge. he ran a Sunday program for Jewish students without regard to how religious the family and its practices were. By 1980 the local day schools and after school Hebrew Schools were employing Sped teachers and she stopped the Sunday program. 18 years with no salary, just love.
OOT, teachers at day schools and yeshivos get paid far more than in Brooklyn and Lakewood. I remember all the years on the synagogue boards I put in…general rule of thumb: the closer to Brooklyn the lower the dalary you have to offer teachers and Rabbis
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