June 30, 2013 2:00 pm at 2:00 pm #609850
I found Rashi.on Pinchas 27:16 very interesting. “Moshe said before Him, RBSO, it is revealed before You the mind of each and every one, and they are not similar to each other. Appoint for them a Manhig who can tolerate each and every one, each according to his mind.”
A far cry from the intolerance spouted by some of the Chareidi politicians in EY.June 30, 2013 2:35 pm at 2:35 pm #962484147Participant
A far cry from the intolerance spouted by some of the Chareidi politicians in EY.
Especially anyone who denigrates Frum Jews who observe Yom ha’Atzmaut & Yom Yeusholayim.June 30, 2013 3:55 pm at 3:55 pm #962485Cheery On The TopMember
Are the not chareidi “manhigim” so tolerant of the Chareidim?June 30, 2013 5:55 pm at 5:55 pm #962486ToiParticipant
wow, lashon hara on a whole tzibbur and their manhigim in one sentence. great job.June 30, 2013 6:10 pm at 6:10 pm #962487rebdonielMember
Every one should have rabbanim who they’re comfortable with and whose ideas are compatible with their own. People may denigrate certain rabbis whose approach differs from their own, but nobody is asking you to become their talmidim. I would be very happy, for instance, if more people accepted Hakham Yosef Faur’s ideas, but it is possible to disagree with someone’s ideas without attacking them in an ad hominem manner. A famous Sephardic rav, whose approach and responsa I typically think are highly sensible and reasonable, for example, attacked someone of a different political affiliation as evil and with an entire host of verbal attacks. This is wrong, and very much goes against the spirit of the Rashi the OP cited. As a rabbinical friend of mine wrote (As a title of his book), “You don’t have to be wrong for me to be right.”June 30, 2013 7:48 pm at 7:48 pm #962488
Cheery On the Top:
Are the not chareidi “manhigim” so tolerant of the Chareidim?
No, but they don’t claim to be interested in what Rashi (or any Mefaresh/sefer, for that matter) has to say.
[NB. Why does defending the Charedi manhigim have to immediately involve attacking non-Charedi manhigim?]June 30, 2013 7:51 pm at 7:51 pm #962489
wow, lashon hara on a whole tzibbur and their manhigim in one sentence. great job.
Read again what I wrote. I questioned only ‘some of the Chareidi politicians.’ I believe you owe me an apology.June 30, 2013 8:26 pm at 8:26 pm #962490ToiParticipant
leyzer- interesting you should demand one; its one of my biggest pet peeves on this site. people in fake life demanding apologies from other people in fake life. grow up.
the chareidi politicians dont make a move without consulting their manhigim. as such, you blasted not only a few MKs, but probably many of the rabbonim who guide klal yisroel. good job.June 30, 2013 9:43 pm at 9:43 pm #962491Cheery On The TopMember
Leyzer, to my regret, I’m currently not involved in Israeli politics. (I’m sure they could use my sagacious input, I’m selfish, I’m holding it all to myself, just to be able to say later: “I KNEW IT”.)
Rashi and Medrash are talking about true Manhegei Yisroel, not appointed politicians. And one more point, if I may. The Chareidi sector is far more tolerant of the not-yet-chareidi than they realize. If they (not-yet-chareidi) would take an honest look, they’d see it. It’s their own feelings of (jealousy, inadequacy, guilt, frustration) at play.June 30, 2013 9:45 pm at 9:45 pm #962492
1. It’s not ‘fake life’ – it’s real people with real opinions, albeit all of them expressed anonymously [but that is the format of the YWN CR]. Frankly I find your attitude tremendously disappointing – ‘ it’s only online conversations so I can be as rude as I like’ – but having seen some of your comments on other threads, I’m not so surprised.
2. I only quoted Rashi – his words not mine.
Do you have an alternative understanding of them?July 1, 2013 2:39 am at 2:39 am #962493OURtorahParticipant
We have had leaders in the past who every orthodox Jew respected and follow. Rav Moshe and Rav Shlomo Zalman Aurbuch to name two Gedoilim!July 1, 2013 2:59 am at 2:59 am #962494SlichosGenendelMember
Frum Jews that celebrate Yom Ha’Atzmaut aren’t Frum at all since they are going against all the Torah leaders from previous generation who said not to observe it.
And they should be called out for it.July 1, 2013 5:40 am at 5:40 am #962495HaKatanParticipant
147 is probably just trolling. I think he doesn’t actually believes what he writes because he seems to never miss an opportunity to extol celebrating Zionist holidays yet never responds to any statements made against his position. This is known as trolling.
But if he does believe what he’s writing, he’s probably also not interested in (anyone) knowing that the Chazon Ish said that “mi hu apikores shomer torah uMitzvos? Kol mi sheChogeg es yom haAtzmaut..” Perhaps their “Yom Yerushalayim” is not as bad, but who knows?
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